(Admins, if you don't find this board as the appropriate board for this thread, go ahead and move it.)

This is about Muslims wanting to build a mosque 2 blocks away from Ground Zero, which was where the Twin Towers were burnt down. If you don't know about this stuff and are too young, please do not read this.

I think this has been going on for a year now, but I'm sure some of you may not have heard of this. Al-Qaeda plans to build a community center/mosque near Ground Zero, which is again where the Twin Towers were burnt down by terrorists. There's a whole lot of controversy as to whether or not they have they, the terrorists, have a right to build a mosque near where they burnt down our property and expect all of America to accept it.

I, personally, think it's stupid, and I don't think they have a right to do it. Obama is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!! Our protector! You'd expect him to do something about it, but NOOOO, 'cause he's a MUSLIM, so he won't do JACK about it! Everyone just HAD to cast their votes on him, huh???

I'd post this in Serious Debate, but I don't have permission, so General Chat is where this is gonna go unless an admin moves it.

Sorry, I'm just furious about this situation. Also, I got permission from Cat to post this, so please don't remove it.

Discuss.

im kinda partial to this, as im all about freedom of religious practice, but me and (some of) my family think that it may influence terrorism of the ppl that go there.

also, i thought Obama was christian?

I highly suggest that you educate yourself on basic matters such as the role of the President, and how not to look completely uneducated when spewing facts that simply are not true. While I believe that the building of said mosque near Ground 0 is not the best idea, I highly suggest that you alter your approach to the situation and actually learn of things such as our President's religion, for starters.

While I don't think that the muslims have the right to build something around the area of a place they destroyed, you must remember that the USA has freedom of religion, so it's not like Obama could say to **** off, even if he weren't muslim.

But he himself has even admitted to it. 'Course you won't believe me, so I'm not gonna convince you. The point is to express thoughts on this whole Al-Quaeda-Trying-To-Take-Over-Some-Of-Our-Property.

"I think this has been going on for a year now, but I'm sure some of you may not have heard of this. Al-Qaeda plans to build a community center/mosque near Ground Zero, which is again where the Twin Towers were burnt down by terrorists."
Al-Qaeda is in no way associated with this. If it was Al-Qaeda doing this, don't you think the government would key into stopping this? If you think it's Al-Qaeda, do you have any evidence at all proving this? Just because they're Muslims and they're associated with Lower Manhattan doesn't make them Al-Qaeda, hell, there's plenty of innocent Muslims who died in 9/11! And guess what has a September 11th memorial? The community center! The twin towers were attacked by EXTREMISTS, not everyday Muslims.

"There's a whole lot of controversy"
Caused by people who think like you no doubt.

"as to whether or not they have they, the terrorists,"
Again being Muslim doesn't make you a terrorist, you ignorant lawyer.

"have a right to build a mosque near where they burnt down our property and expect all of America to accept it."
Freedom of Speech and Expression is in your constitution, bro. These people are innocent as you and me.


"I, personally, think it's stupid, and I don't think they have a right to do it. Obama is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!! Our protector!"
Yes because all other presidents did SUCH a good job fulfilling that supposed duty....looking at you, W.

"You'd expect him to do something about it, but NOOOO, 'cause he's a MUSLIM,"
Admittedly Obama's ethnic history isn't crystal clear, you have just as much validity to claim he's muslim as I do claiming he's a scientologist.

....you know, I'm Canadian and I know a boatload more about this than you. Pardon me for being an outspoken left-winger but you seem to be just as much biased towards the right-wing, if not more.

No need for such agression. Jesus Christ. I did try to change the title of this thread, because saying "Muslim" was offensive, and tried to change it to "Al-Quaeda", but it didn't work out the way I wanted it to. So from what I can gather, you guys don't care what they do, they can even just nuke everyone right now, and you won't care. Right? Is that correct?

Stop trying to pick arguments with me, because no matter what, I will not cooperate.

Verily, if you'd rather act ignorant towards then I don't have a problem with that.....I mean it's your life.

First of all, I am going to move this thread to the Serious Debate board because it deserves to be there.

Now that it is in the Serious Debate board, I can freely debate about it, and prove you wrong as well.

In the beginning, I want to inform you that from what you have mentioned in your topic, you showed Muslims as terrorists, which is completely unacceptable. Not only that, but from what you described Obama as a "MUSLIM", you completely show a disgust against them; named racism I believe. As a whole, you have broken a very serious rule in the forums, that is, offending other members. Just for you to know, there are some Muslims in this forums, and they find what you said offensive and rude.

Now, coming to the debate. You mentioned in the title "Muslims" and then referred in the thread to Al Qaeda. If you can actually explain what you mean please. For the sake of your poor knowledge, Islam is considered as one of the three Abrahamic religions. Insulting one of these religions means insulting the other two. Then, if you want to go and start yelling about it, then first, know the basics of the religion you are shouting against. It is in the human's general knowledge that peace is something must be achieved. There is no religion that asks for terrorism. In the mean time, not all those who belong to a certain religion are good. Al Qaeda is an example. Al Qaeda killed a lot of people, but not only non-Muslims. Al Qaeda kills anyone, even if that one is a Muslim himself, and I can prove that easily if you want. Strictly speaking, Al Qaeda has no religion. They created their own religion and beliefs, that they actually say that Muslims who aren't with them aren't Muslims. I think that is enough to prove you wrong, or do you want more?

Again, yelling at you country like that is stupid. You are showing the US as an irresponsible country that doesn't care about its citizens. If there was any slight relation between the Mosque that is supposed to be built and Al Qaeda, then it would have immediately stopped it. Also, isn't America the country of freedom? If you believe in freedom, then you should take building a mosque as easy as building a church. And why don't you actually take it from a positive side anyway? After the 11th of September, many ignorant people, like you, started flaming at Muslims for no reason. Building a Mosque in that place can be a good sign of love between the religions. It can show that Muslims are against the 11th of September, and thus, they want to build a Mosque, representing peace for those who died.

Just for you to know, Muslims never liked the 11th of September accident. Never.

It's too soon. We're still at war with Al-Quaeda, and the general American population is still against the muslim community, despite the fact that only a mere fraction of muslims are extremists.

Maybe in 30 years after the war is over, but not now.

As Walui said, if it was Al-Qaeda planning to build a mosque near Ground Zero, then the US government would DEFINITELY interfere to stop it. And for your information, not all Muslims are terrorists. Actually, if you had any idea about Islam's teachings, you wouldn't be talking ignorantly like this. Islam comes from the word 'peace', which means that it encourages peace in the world, just like any other religion. Heck, if you consider Al-Qaeda to be a terrorist organization, that doesn't mean all Muslims are. Also, Muslims weren't really happy about the 9/11 incident because they knew it was a terrible conspiracy which resulted in the deaths of many innocent people. On top of that, the 9/11 incident was executed by extremists, and till now, there's no concrete evidence to prove who was behind it. There are a lot of conspiracy theories regarding this event, and many are saying that the main reason as to why it took place was to cause tension, hatred and war between the US and the Middle East generally. Thus, I can safely assume that you've been affected in the exact way those extremists want you to be, because you're basing your argument on ignorance, and then backing yourself up by flaming and cussing.

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Originally Posted by alternateshadow300 Obama is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!! Our protector! You'd expect him to do something about it, but NOOOO, 'cause he's a MUSLIM, so he won't do JACK about it! Everyone just HAD to cast their votes on him, huh???

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Originally Posted by alternateshadow300 Stop trying to pick arguments with me, because no matter what, I will not cooperate.

Since the owner of the thread requested me to stop this debate, as he knew he was wrong and also apologized, I will close this thread to stop any further discussion about it.