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Alright, last night I was pondering, and I actually dreamed I was a Lawyer telling SEGA what to do with sonic to make him the hog he used to be. The problems I found about the newer 3D sonic games is that there's way too much crappy story getting in the way of the gameplay (Which wasn't too thrilling to begin with) kind of like Heroes of Mana.
*Paces* So what SEGA needs to do is ditch the whole crappy story, get rid of all their extra "Unique gameplay" crap and make a Sonic game like the old ones where you just drop Sonic in a level and race to the finish where you fight Dr. Robotnik. It would be simple, fun, and just like the old days; the better days, when the characters didn't speak. Or, Even better, they could do it like sonic adventure 2.
The big difference between SA2 battle and the games proceeding it you ask? Well, first off, Tails sounded loads better, but if you look at the beginning of SA2's story, There is no buildup you see sonic jumping out of an airplane as authority figures chase after him. As you get deeper in the story, you find that Sonic was framed by a lookalike hedgehog who's looking for the Chaos Emeralds to power a huge space cannon to blow up the Earth. The usual take-over-the-world thing. And you know what? It was good enough.
Now look at the beginning of, say, Sonic and the secret rings. Sonic is sitting in front of a fireplace doing absolutely nothing when some random Genie comes down and tells him "You have to save the dimensions, Sonic! Some evil Genie named Erazor Djinn is collecting rings to take over the universe, Sonic! Here, have a few hundred Tissues for comic relief, Sonic!"and then after a painful storybook intro you hop straight into... The Tutorial. (Which you probably need anyway because the gameplay sucks so much) And don't even get me started with Sonic Unleashed. Zero Punctuation already says that better than I can.
All this is probably Obvious to Serious Sonic fans like some of you out there, and some of you have more Ideas of your own. Maybe if we come up with enough, we can mail this to SEGA and have them... Neglect/Ruin our ideas!
Now I kind of wish they would do that as well, but the problem is, it just doesn't appeal to anyone nowadays. A good example of the old gameplay is Sonic Heroes. Now I haven't played much of it, but I haven't seen much storyline, and it's the same old thing, just with 3-D and three characters at the same time.
I bet everyone knows how huge a Sonic fan I am, the only thing that dissapointed me in Sonic Heroes was that they didn't really explain the characters and that they needed different levels. Sonic Heroes in my opinion is a great game and actually the last good Sonic game after a while.
Then, of course Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing blew my mind and after playing it, I never back to fat itlian plumber racing wii EVER again.
I think the Sonic franchise is doing just fine. However, people think Sonic has died. WELL LOOK AT THIS!
I feel SEGA knows what is going on. Heck, they're even bringing out Sonic 4! Sonic Colors(Colours in other places) is just a Sonic Unleashed without the so-called "abomination" Werehog. If people just gave it a chance, I think people would like it! When SEGA announces a new game, they some people super byasit and say," 0H TH1S G4M3 W1LL SUCK BIG! TR0L0L0LL0L0L0LL0L0L0L0L0L0L0L0L0LL0L0L0L" They need to give these games a chance. If they made a SA/SU daytime stages game, it'd be great! Then some stupid genisis fanboy, like aknotholeresident, will say "GR33N 3Y3S WILL 4FF3CT G4M3P14Y!!!!" I think people just already hate the game due to the excsive hatred from trolls and genisis fanboys.
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Straight fat Italian plumber beats Sonic. Seriously, what've you got against Mario?
And by the way, in case you didn't notice, Sonic Colours isn't out yet. |
Yes, Sonic Colors isn't even out yet. I know. But, Sonic is as good as Mario in my opinion. Mario has had crappy games. *cough*Hotel Mario*cough* Mario is Missing *cough* Mario's Time Machine*cough*. But, anyways on the topic. I think Sega is doing just fine....|
Sonic (in my heart) will always beat gay fat itlian plumber.
... But, don't go bsing Sonic over this. I HATE threads like this! |
Sonic Colors seems good enough, but two things: What's up with those powerups, and how does the story effect the gameplay? My least favorite thing about Unleashed was that you couldn't get to the actual action without going through a painful flight around the world looking for professor Pickles and talking to random strangers through just pointing at them with the Wiimote. If they're going to make you talk to random people before you get to the actual game they should at least make it a sandbox game.
Well, My point is I won't believe that SEGA has turned around until I see some honest-to-goodness reviewing of all of the game's aspects.
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My least favorite thing about Unleashed was that you couldn't get to the actual action without going through a painful flight around the world looking for professor Pickles and talking to random strangers through just pointing at them with the Wiimote. If they're going to make you talk to random people before you get to the actual game they should at least make it a sandbox game.
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What SEGA needs to do is not make Sonic games. They're basically pushing this franchise too much with gimmicks and it's becoming shoveled down. Yes, the games are good; yes, Colors and StH4 look amazing, but there have been previous failures on their part. (For one I hated SA1 due to over-reliance on the other character's stories, and although SA2 was good they still focused too much on other characters and they removed the hubworld- on top of that Unleashed didn't do very well with the Day/Night gimmick and the Sonic Storybook games were balls)
What SEGA should REALLY do is make new characters and bring back old ones that had a lot of oomph in them. Apart from that one random NiGHTS reboot and Super Monkey Ball they hardly come up with new characters.
Two franchises in particular I think SEGA could bring back to life are:
1. Jet Set Radio/Jet Grind Radio: It's like Katamari Damacy, only with roller blades and J-pop. Cel-shaded graphics in a futuristic Tokyo combined with fun gameplay and a good soundtrack equals awesome. I'd especially love this on the Wii, or if they're daring enough the 3DS.
2. Billy Hatcher: OH COME ON DON'T TELL ME THIS THING WASN'T AWESOME. This was also very Katamari-esque, since you had to roll an egg around, but it was also a good 3-D platformer and I'd love to see it rebooted.
Personally, what I've come to believe is that rabid Sonic fans will always find ways to complain about the latest Sonic games, even if the game is fun. (and of course, in some cases the complaints are valid and justifiable enough) I think it's best for people to look past the fanbase and just look at the games themselves. Some suck, some are good. At least the Sonic team at Sega is trying.
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Originally Posted by Charizard98
Mario has had crappy games. *cough*Hotel Mario*cough* Mario is Missing *cough* Mario's Time Machine*
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When everyone saw Mario farting out clouds: OMG SOOOOOO OZZIM ITZ LIEK OZZIMMMM!!!
When everyone saw Sonic drilling through the ground and other stuff: GIMMICK, THE GAME AUTOMATICALLY SUCKS EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T PLAYED IT YET.
My point is that they both have gimmicks. I just can't understand why it's just perfectly okay for Mario to have gimmicks but not Sonic. Don't give me the typical "'cause it's Mario and Mario has been having awesome games lately and Sonic hasn't." because that's invalid and has nothing to do with gimmicks whatsoever.
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When everyone saw Mario farting out clouds: OMG SOOOOOO OZZIM ITZ LIEK OZZIMMMM!!!
When everyone saw Sonic drilling through the ground and other stuff: GIMMICK, THE GAME AUTOMATICALLY SUCKS EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T PLAYED IT YET. My point is that they both have gimmicks. I just can't understand why it's just perfectly okay for Mario to have gimmicks but not Sonic. Don't give me the typical "'cause it's Mario and Mario has been having awesome games lately and Sonic hasn't." because that's invalid and has nothing to do with gimmicks whatsoever. |
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When everyone saw Mario farting out clouds: OMG SOOOOOO OZZIM ITZ LIEK OZZIMMMM!!!
When everyone saw Sonic drilling through the ground and other stuff: GIMMICK, THE GAME AUTOMATICALLY SUCKS EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T PLAYED IT YET. My point is that they both have gimmicks. I just can't understand why it's just perfectly okay for Mario to have gimmicks but not Sonic. Don't give me the typical "'cause it's Mario and Mario has been having awesome games lately and Sonic hasn't." because that's invalid and has nothing to do with gimmicks whatsoever. Mario's gimmicks aren't as extreme. Sonic's are. Cloud Mario and Rock Mario are just powerups. If I were to use an example here, say, Werehog/Night stages from Unleashed and the on-rails gameplay in Secret Rings, those are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT styles of gameplay. THAT'S gimmicky. And for the record, the clouds are following Mario and all they do is spawn platforms. Not much of a "new style of gameplay." It's just a puzzle mechanic. |
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Whether or not they are actually video games, they are Mario games and they suck, Lite.
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On a serious topic, I'm just going to say this, neither Mario OR Sonic should be flamed. EVERY video game franchise has had their dud. So, really can't we just agree to disagree, people. lol Do we really need to go as far to complain about one gimmick Sega has added in a Sonic game. That's like saying "Oh look! Mario has a rock suit! Looks like crap! Nice job *eff*ing up, Nintendo" Now, that would get someone angry wouldn't it? It's like the majority of people on youtube. They always post stupid hate comments on a video game saying "This game sucks!" and etc. What my point is, every game is gimmicky. You really can't flame on a game that hasn't came out for one gimmick or that's just your negative opinion.
On topic: Well, Sega needs to have more franchises keeping them alive. Or even bring some old ones back.
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On a serious topic, I'm just going to say this, neither Mario OR Sonic should be flamed. EVERY video game franchise has had their dud. So, really can't we just agree to disagree, people. lol Do we really need to go as far to complain about one gimmick Sega has added in a Sonic game. That's like saying "Oh look! Mario has a rock suit! Looks like crap! Nice job *eff*ing up, Nintendo" Now, that would get someone angry wouldn't it? It's like the majority of people on youtube. They always post stupid hate comments on a video game saying "This game sucks!" and etc. What my point is, every game is gimmicky. You really can't flame on a game that hasn't came out for one gimmick or that's just your negative opinion.
On topic: Well, Sega needs to have more franchises keeping them alive. Or even bring some old ones back. |
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Who said I was flaming them? Besides, now look at their stories. (As seen from the beginning)
Super Mario Bros: Bowser Steals the princess, go get her back. Super Mario Bros. 2: No real story Super Mario bros. 3: *See Super Mario Bros. Super Mario World: *See Super Mario Bros Super Mario Land: Tatanga has stolen another Princess. Go get her back. Yoshi's Island: Baby Mario gets knocked off the stork by Kamek. Yoshi catches him, and now has to go on an adventure to save Mario's Brother, Luigi. Super Mario RPG: Exxor has taken over the Mushroom Kingdom. Take him down. Super Mario 64: Bowser has trapped the Princess in her own Castle. Save her. Paper Mario: Bowser has stolen the princess and her Castle and taken them into the stratosphere. Oh, he also now has the power to wish for whatever he wants. Good luck. Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga: Stop Cackletta from taking over the world. Super Mario Sunshine: Mario has been framed for gunking up Delfino Isle. A device named FLUDD has agreed to help him clean it up. Paper Mario the Thousand year door: Peach has been abducted by the evil X-nauts. But first, find all of the crystal Hearts before they do. Trust me, it won't be pretty if they get what they want. Mario & Luigi Partners in time: Mario and Luigi Team up with their Baby selves to save the world from an Alien Race. Super Paper Mario: Mario has been chosen to save the Universe from the destruction caused by the evil Count Bleck. Go. Super Mario Galaxy: Bowser Has stolen the princess and is trying to create his own Supergalaxy. Team up with Rosalina and her Lumas to blast through the universe to save her. Mario & Luigi Bowser's inside story: Bowser got schemed by evil Fawful and now the bros are inside bowser due to a mushroom Accident and now need to get out whilst trying to stop Fawful's evil plan. Now for the sonic Franchise. (I may skip a few) Sonic the Hedgehog: Dr. Robotnik wants to rule the world. Stop him. Sonic the Hedgehog 2: *See Sonic the Hedgehog Sonic the Hedgehog 3: *See sonic the Hedgehog Sonic and Knuckles: Team up with knuckles to... stop Dr. Robotnik. Sonic CD: *See Sonic the Hedgehog Sonic Adventure: Dr. Eggman has revived Chaos Zero, who wants revenge on the world. Stop them. Sonic Adventure 2: Sonic is Framed for felony and goes to prison island, when the perpetrator is actually the Ultimate life form named Shadow. Shadow and Eggman want to collect the Chaos Emeralds to power a laser cannon to destroy the earth. Stop them. Sonic Riders: A strange group of thieves attack sonic and taunt them into riding on their Zero-gravity Boards. Turns out Eggman Wants to get his hands on something as well... Sonic advanced: *see Sonic the Hedgehog Sonic 06: Something about this evil doppelganger hedgehog shooting Sonic so this princess person would cry and release the ultimate power or something. Then Sonic is revived somehow and now has to stop this menace from doing.. whatever it's doing. Sonic Rush: Sonic is blasted in another Dimension somehow and now has to collect the Sol emeralds with a princess named Blaze before Eggman Nega can. Sonic Rush Adventure: Sonic is blasted into another dimension again as now he finds a raccoon named Marine who shows him how to Jetski and Drive a boat to go to other islands and Stop Eggman Nega. Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood: ...Don't even get me started... Sonic Riders Zero Gravity: A strange meteor falls to earth with the ability to bend gravity. The robots of the city want it, and won't take no for an answer. Sonic and the Secret Rings: Sonic is sitting in front of the fire doing nothing when A genie pops up in front of him, and explains she is from a storybook world and claims sonic as the chosen one to save the protagonist of the book from the evil clutches of Erazor Djinn. Sonic Unleashed: Sonic is stopping Eggman for his evil deeds when something goes wrong and now sonic turns into a werehog whenever the sun goes down. It turns out this has unleashed a rift in the world that is unleashing demons from hell. Sonic, now with an amnesiac fairy named chip, now has to revive all of the Chaos Emeralds to bring the earth back together. Sonic and the Black Knight: Sonic finds himself in a fairy tale land and finds a magic talking sword whom he uses to stop the evil King Arthur from.. being Evil, because some mage who looks like Amy told him to. If you see my point, it's that the new sonic games have way too much unnecessary story that gets in the way of gameplay. It's not exactly the gimmicks, it's how sonic gets them that's just long and boring. |
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Let me fix up some of this post since parts of it are wrong.
SMB2 did have a story. Basically it is: One day Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad go out on a picnic and they find a cave which leads to Subcon. They are then told by the residents of Subcon that the four of them need to go defeat Wart who rules Subcon. After defeating Wart, it's all just a dream Mario had. SMB3 the Princess wasn't kidnapped until you finish World 7. The story of SMB3 is that the Koopalings have gone and stolen the Mushroom Kings magic wands and turned them into different creatures. The Princess tells Mario and Luigi to go and turn the Kings back to normal. At the end of each world the Princess sends letters to Mario and Luigi to help them. At the end of World 7, Bowser kidnaps the Princess so Mario and Luigi have to go save her. In SMW you have to help the Yoshi's as well. Sonic 2 is slightly different to Sonic 1. Team up with Tails and get the Chaos Emeralds to stop Dr. Robotnik/Eggman Sonic 3 is the same as Sonic 2 but Knuckles is also helping Eggman/Robotnik Sonic CD is Sonic 1 but you have to travel through time and also stop Metal Sonic. There fixed... |
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Who said I was flaming them? Besides, now look at their stories. (As seen from the beginning)
Now for the sonic Franchise. (I may skip a few) Sonic the Hedgehog: Dr. Robotnik wants to rule the world. Stop him. Sonic the Hedgehog 2: *See Sonic the Hedgehog Sonic the Hedgehog 3: *See sonic the Hedgehog Sonic and Knuckles: Team up with knuckles to... stop Dr. Robotnik. Sonic CD: *See Sonic the Hedgehog Sonic Adventure: Dr. Eggman has revived Chaos Zero, who wants revenge on the world. Stop them. Sonic Adventure 2: Sonic is Framed for felony and goes to prison island, when the perpetrator is actually the Ultimate life form named Shadow. Shadow and Eggman want to collect the Chaos Emeralds to power a laser cannon to destroy the earth. Stop them. Sonic Riders: A strange group of thieves attack sonic and taunt them into riding on their Zero-gravity Boards. Turns out Eggman Wants to get his hands on something as well... Sonic advanced: *see Sonic the Hedgehog Sonic 06: Something about this evil doppelganger hedgehog shooting Sonic so this princess person would cry and release the ultimate power or something. Then Sonic is revived somehow and now has to stop this menace from doing.. whatever it's doing. Sonic Rush: Sonic is blasted in another Dimension somehow and now has to collect the Sol emeralds with a princess named Blaze before Eggman Nega can. Sonic Rush Adventure: Sonic is blasted into another dimension again as now he finds a raccoon named Marine who shows him how to Jetski and Drive a boat to go to other islands and Stop Eggman Nega. Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood: ...Don't even get me started... Sonic Riders Zero Gravity: A strange meteor falls to earth with the ability to bend gravity. The robots of the city want it, and won't take no for an answer. Sonic and the Secret Rings: Sonic is sitting in front of the fire doing nothing when A genie pops up in front of him, and explains she is from a storybook world and claims sonic as the chosen one to save the protagonist of the book from the evil clutches of Erazor Djinn. Sonic Unleashed: Sonic is stopping Eggman for his evil deeds when something goes wrong and now sonic turns into a werehog whenever the sun goes down. It turns out this has unleashed a rift in the world that is unleashing demons from hell. Sonic, now with an amnesiac fairy named chip, now has to revive all of the Chaos Emeralds to bring the earth back together. Sonic and the Black Knight: Sonic finds himself in a fairy tale land and finds a magic talking sword whom he uses to stop the evil King Arthur from.. being Evil, because some mage who looks like Amy told him to. If you see my point, it's that the new sonic games have way too much unnecessary story that gets in the way of gameplay. It's not exactly the gimmicks, it's how sonic gets them that's just long and boring. |
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We've established that so many times in this thread now. Sonic Team need to screw the story and focus on gameplay. :3
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