I would really like to hear what others think about Anti-Anti-Pokémon and how original Pokémon are.

Please read this:
http://buizel.net/pokemon/antianti.htm
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Well naturally anything that is popular is obviously going to have people hating on it. As far as I'm concerned, everyone likes different things so if they don't like Pokémon that's fine with me. But when they start saying things like "O U PLAY POKEMON THAT IS 4 1ST GRADRZ LOL!!11", make pictures of things like Pikachu being sawed in half, and making websites about that, I am not fine with. At that point they are just being rude and ruining other people's fun just because they don't like it. And they are just making themselves look stupid because they are spending their time actually doing anti-Pokémon stuff which is ironically being more involved with Pokémon then just ignoring it.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion of pokémon but if they even think to try and change my opinion then i'll hit them

Anti-Pokemon supporters are discriminative and to an extent racist because not only do they hate pokémon but they hate everyone and everything associated with it.

All trends have haters...

You know that. Haters are just people who pick on something out of randomness because they have nothing better to do.
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Personally, i think Pokemon is one of the World's Favorite Pass times. Or so u thought. My friends have tried to hide their Pokemon Games from me cuz they thought people thought it was so uncool. When they saw ME play it, they weren't afraid to play it in front of others. Anti-Pokemon people ruin Pokemon Fans their fun. Im an anti-anti-pokemon person. If someone says they think pokemon is stupid or childish, i tell them it isn't. Pokemon is for ALL people. If someone is going to be in the military or something, Pokemon will improve strategy. For little kids pokemon will improve word knowledge. For me, it improves competition. So people who say pokemon sucks, they suck (without exceptions). NINTENDO knows wut they're doin!

One of the things that annoy me even more than anyone else are "haters" who actually like Pokémon

Some of my friends pretend they hate it when they actually love it.

I am with Anti-Anti Pokemon %100!!
It's fine to not like Pokemon, but the haters just take it WAY too far!
It's about time people stood up for Pokemon and showed them just how original,creative,strategic,and fun it really is!
(Right now I have a Pokemon desktop,Im hugging a meowth plushy, and listening to Pokemon music. lol :P)

I really think Pokemon should be revived and become at least close to as popular as it was during the boom era.
And me and my friends are working hard to make it happen!

Thanks for helping the cause! =^^=


(The haters can kiss my......feet....WHAT?!?! >.>)

@ feet

How cynical and miserable does someone have to be to hate and attack something that brings so many others so much joy?

You would be surprised, kid, you would be surprised...

Anti-Anti-Anti-Anti PokemoN!
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They always take it out on Pikachu too.... the poor mascot.

I really think the reason why they say PokeMon is for kids is because of the label Nintendo has been given as a kid's gaming company, and the fact the anime is usually geared toward little kids. There are of course some teens, young adults, and creepy people over the age of 40 who watch it, though. I stopped after Misty left...

Then the anime is associated with the awesome games...

the longer Pokemon stays around, the older Pokemon fans are getting...

(hey, my hubby's over 40, and I'm not that far behind!)

Whenever somebody says it's "4 1ST GRADERZ!!11," I point out the things that draw in the older players (breeding, EV training, etc.). I've been a fan since the original Red and Blue, and it keeps sucking me in.

"D00D, THI5 SUXX", "POKAMAN IZ 4 1TH GRADRZ!" and other "salty" comments are just like an act of terrorism, it do not do anything. Ignore them

There will be trolls for everything, I suppose. I haven't really heard any serious anti-Pokemon talk in many years, though, except for occasional references in some conversations. Honestly, I'm surprised such an organization for combating such talk exists. Nevertheless, the group's existence at least shows the pride and dedication of Pokemon fans, and that's something I can respect.

It's not just trolls and gamers. It's also the parents of fans like us. My mother thinks I'm getting too old for a game where "monsters are made to fight each other" and when I explain to her the difference between that and Pokémon battles, she ends up giving me the excuse that it's a child's game...

If someone just hates the mascot (Pikachu) it shouldn't be counted as hated the whole series.

I hate Pikachu and like the series.

im not a fan of the anime, it is predictable and generally annoys me. however, i love the games...they rock...alot

Ah well this would fit quite well in my school, you would be surprised how many supporters you would get, they even have heated discussions on which pokemon nature is better for which pokemon and the age variance in my school is from 12-18.

I go to a high school where there is a Pokémon club. The fans are staying fans for longer and longer.

You can occasionally find a student wearing a Pokémon shirt in our school.

I wish my school had a Pokemon Club.

Or at least have a Pokemon tournament in the Video Game Club since they are having a Yugi-OH! tournament in the Anime Club... =P

I see Pokemon t-shirts being worn every day (Just like Mario).

Isn't there a such thing as anti-anti-anti pokemon?

Yes there is, and I really don't want to link to it.

Nobody who's Anti-Pokemon is cool. If Fonzie were Anti-Pokemon on Happy Days, nobody would follow his trends.

I wear Pokemon T-Shirt. Yes, T-Shirt. Not shirts, shirt. So hard to find...

But when I did wear it to school I got ripped on by a bunch of morons. Strangely these morons are also of the mind that FPS games are the only games that exist.

Today in school one of my classmates wanted me to sing the original theme song with me and I did he also asked me if I new the pokerap

There isn't a single high school in my local area where you can play Pokémon without hiding. Me and my friends occasionally get together and talk about random 'Mon stuff. Then we drift off topic. And start giving games really weird names. Like: The Legend Of Zelda: TRAAIINNSS!

We should make a secret underground club where s nerds/geeks can come and play some Pokémon!

Or how about a not secret public club!
I talk about what I want, when I want. I do what I want! (When that "what I want!" is to talk about Pokémon.) The only people who make fun of me for it are the same who threaten to shoot people and make fun of peoples' sexuality.
TRAAIINNSS!

Hang on...
We're the Ant-Anti Pokémon! We can just go up to haters and bamboozle them to death with our Pkmn talk!
Or throw our Pokéwalkers at them, or attack them with Gameboy cartridges!

Violence one help that would only cause more problems, better to speak in a soft voice then to force with a strong hand

I think people who hate pokemon without even playing it are rude. It's funny because they're like "I hate pokemon!" but they haven't even played it! Also I should also say I think everyone's entitled to their opinion.

yeah i know i do think that everyone should beable to have their opion
but i also have to say that like with food if you don't try it how do you know that you trully don't like it
come on

Usually people just try to be rude by doing that. First they use on reason, which is one of the most kommon, which is "It's for little kids." Definetely not true. Kids don't even know how to handle the Pokemon korrectly by sending out unbalanced teams. Pokemon is waaaay more komplex. Also, nowadays "kids" play GTA and Call of Duty. Let's see them say it's for kids now. ;D Also they use the term "gay". Stupid and it's only an opinion. Basically, people don't like Pokemon based on opinion. It is a kiddy game, but the komplexion (?) makes it a superior game that requires brains.

'Nuff said.

i have to agree a lot of though has to go into the teams i should know since i am trying to create a new one myself

and did you have to K instead of C

Well said, Lite. Well said.

ah now i get it oh wellz

Not quite. Anti-Pokémon is against Pokémon. Anti-Anti-Anti-Pokémon is against AAP people.

I think that when people hate others for playing Pokemon, its just stupid. If that's there choice of gaming attraction, then thats it. Maybe they don't like Madden or Cod or whatever they play either.

The people at my school really don't care if you like pokemon I've noticed.

There's actually this one kid at my school who has never heard of it.

I'm ambivalent on this.

On one hand, it seems like a lot of this anti-anti-Pokémon behavior is an attempt to drown out all criticism, from any source. It's as if some Pokémon fans take every single disparaging comment about their beloved franchise and interpret it as a personal insult. This is classic "fanboy" behavior but it's not very mature. In some cases, like when the offending critique is some article posted on a personal site somewhere on the internet, it may be best to try to tune that out. If you find that you tend to feel offended when reading such things, and you would rather not think about it at all, then you should probably stay away from those sites.

The stuff about Pokémon fans being hassled in person is unfortunate, and for this, everyone's concerns are legitimate. A lot of people who would do this, from 2001 or so (when the craze was cooling down) up until now, seem to be former Pokémon fans who, after their interests change, exaggerate their dislike in an attempt to distance themselves from their former selves. That doesn't make that appropriate.

It boils down to an issue of the freedom to express one's opinions versus common courtesy. People are entitled to think whatever they want, and they have the right to express their opinions as long as it doesn't infringe someone else's rights. This includes the right to comment on someone else's opinion. But just because it isn't necessarily illegal to post inflammatory opinions wherever you wish doesn't mean that it's wise or socially appropriate. Examples:

• Someone makes a private site, on their own server, and hosts content that is harshly critical of Pokémon.

  As long as they're not breaking federal/international laws, their site's allowed to exist. You can email them about it or post on their forum if they provided contact information, but they don't have to take their site down just because you told them to.

• Someone goes and posts that same material to a public forum.

  This depends on the forum's owners/moderators and their rules, but generally that thread isn't violating anything by existing, and anyone on the forum can reply. The mods might close it down if it gets to be too much of a ****storm, though.

• Someone posts that same material to a Pokémon-centric forum.

  THIS is trolling. There's generally no reason to do this unless you're deliberately trying to start a fight, and the owners/admins/mods are well justified in removing this content from the site.

Cat, update the link.



Anyways, I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and should be allowed to express it. Face it, Kanto is the original and the rest are deformed clones. It's painfully obvious.

Now, normally this won't bother me, except for one factor.

Ash.

This would be counted as stupid because it is completely illogical. Ash has been in every series as the main character, period.

But that's not the stupid part. The stupid part is that in every series he makes the same mistakes over and over and over, never gets that bipolar pikachu off his back, and gets the same badges over and over again. Sure the badges are different, but he doesn't need 40 badges for fire-type.

Also, he never ages. By now he should be almost 30, yet he's always 10. What, does everyone stay the same age as soon as they're born in some rapid-growth-of-fate scheme?

Ok I think I've proven that I think this subject is a waste of time. Thank you and good day, sirs.

Well, if you're talking about the anime, then yeah, there's a crapload of discrepancies between the games/anime and stuff. Red is only 13 canonically in the games, but Ash is 15. (So, that would mean he ages one year every new region. Plus another year.)

Oh, and I can list every plot difference in every mainstream Pokemon game, if you'd like.

Ash won't be able to become the Pokemon Master until Game Freak stops making the games. The anime follows the plot of the games, so that's your plot device. "There are still many more Pokemon left to discover" is the motivation for players (and by extension, the anime characters) to continue playing.

I was using Marvel's continuity as an example.

Either way, this isn't a debate thread.

Jared you actually think Ash should quit being a pokemon master?

Well I think teaching kids to quit at something is a really good idea.

I mean you expect the characters to age?
Cartoon characters stay the same age for years why should it matter?

I really think you aren't giving this a fair enough chance Jared.

I remember the days when the AAP movement was about fans defending Pokemon from parents/teachers/haters....it is so sad that it's now become nothing but arguments amongst ourselves

The arguments help keep our community sharp! If the guys at Nintendo heard our complaints and praises in AAP threads, they might change the games depending on h\what we argue about, which can be a good thing (I'd really like to see 4 phys attacks and 4 sp attacks)

My SISTER is anti-Pokémon.

Doesn't it suck being an AAP who has an immediate AP relative?

Okay, hear me out. I'm pro-Pokemon but Anti-Anti-Anti-Pokemon.

If you're confused, let me explain: I like Pokemon a whole lot, and I almost always have. I do not, however, like the AAP movement. I find it to be pointless.

The only real use for AAP is to correct misconceptions of sensible people who just got the wrong idea. That's all well and good, but AAP seems to focus on mainly immature preteens and the like. Now, think about that for a second.

What is that going to accomplish? You should know that arguing with someone like that is going to be fruitless, since they'll just spit out more idiotic reasons for hatred. In fact, by getting touchy about it, you're just proving to the AP that AAPs are obsessed nutjobs (in their view, not necessarily mine) and making it so they further their complaints. Ignoring them is for the best, and it will make them grow out of it faster.

What are these AAP counters to common AP complaints going to do, anyway? Convert them? In the rare case that it does happen, you might feel like you've won, but think about it: given the attitude of the common AP, do you really want one of those people in AAP? What would that say for the movement and the fandom in general?

In fact, making an entire movement out of countering AP makes AAP look just as silly as AP itself. Given that the AP flood has subsided now, there's barely anything for AAP to exist for. Sure, there are a few APs who make idiots of themselves, but making them look like idiots is superfluous given that they already look stupid in the first place.

In general, when something's trying to make you offended in any way, the best way to get it to stop is to ignore it. Is it that difficult to grasp?

If this post is an unnecessary bump, feel free to delete it, since I'm not sure what qualifies as unnecessary around here. I apologize if it is.

Lol I was just messing with you, but it was a very good speech. Congrats. =w=

This defines the overall purpose of the AAP movement best (from the Site Q&A section of my site):


Q. With your site (We All Live in a Pokemon World... [http://www.kimsites.net/pokemon]), are you trying to change people's minds who don't like Pokémon into liking it?

A. No. The purpose of this site is to disprove accusations made against Pokémon. It is one thing to simply dislike something, but to invent and spread misinformation and lies about Pokémon (battling=cockfighting, etc) or anything else is quite another, and is harmful not only to the franchise and the fans, but to people looking for honest answers (parents, teachers, etc). Many people often dislike things they do not understand; this site was created to offer a basic understanding of Pokémon for people to then base their opinion, rather than blindly prejudging it.

the thing that peeves me off the most is that most of the hate speech is directed torwards the show, and not the game you currently have in your hands.

Being an anti-anti-Pokemon person just shows you are awesome.
Most of the time, when there is someone who opposes Pokemon, they usually associate Pokemon and Homosexuality being similar.

FALSE!
I fail to see the relation between Pokemon and Homosexuality. Just because it seems childish, doesn't mean it is. And even if it was childish, that doesn't make it related to homosexuality.
You'd be surprised to see all the childish stuff some people do in my school, does that mean they are homosexuals? No.

I am definitely Anti-Anti-pokemon. because quite a few of my friends use to hate it, then had a go on one of my games, then started loving it! If you don't like it, you don't like it you don't have to be aggressive about it.

I don't have to put up with that crap at my school... I'm too huge and have a bad reputation for being quick to snap, which is not entirely true, but I've been in a few brawls in my day. That aside, I find people who hate Pokemon without even the slightest understanding of it is entirely idiotic. I've found two major things that haters tend to use as ammo against players:

Hater Argument #1: Pokemon is for Babies
My two 8-year old cousins have Pokemon games and think May is the final boss and don't know how to save the game. There are so many elements in Pokemon games that most immature/very young people couldn't even begin to comprehend it.

Hater "Argument" #2: Show=Games
I find this to be a recurring trend. Most haters randomly bark Ash Ketchum quotes, the season 1 theme song or yelling "GOTTA CATCH EM ALL." (I've had to deal with that last one a few times) This merely shows how completely stupid they are and know nothing about the true nature of Pokemon.

As I said before, I don't have to deal with much of that anymore. Matter of fact I did an art project painting a picture of Venusaur, Charizard and Blastoise, and didn't get a bad word from anyone.

Ah, silly little anti-Pokemon moronic demons. They probably couldn't save the game if they tried. Anti-Pokemonism (as I shall call it) is simply wrong, end of story.

My reputation on the school grounds? Have none! Only known for my prowess in mathematics, no one dares to speak with me on the subject matter of video games, television, etc., save for a few people. Most people at school find Pokemon to be a childish show and game. The show, I can't really complain, as it has sort of been downhill lately. The game has so many features that they don't see! Somethimes I think that the people who wish to see Pokemon exterminated off the face of the earth probalby have no mind to even calculate the mathematical EVs, IVs, Experience Points, and so on. It sickens me to even think that there could be people so shallow as to post pictures of Pokemon brutality and put down the fans of a franchise 14 years running. Unfortunately, there are people like that, and those are the people I must shy away from. Therefore, I never say anything about Pokemon at school except for my school friends who remain supportive to Pokemon. I don't think anybody at school knows the real me, not only because of my likeness to Pokemon that only a few know about, but my timidity and personality. But I digress; I didn't post here to talk of my own problems.

I am weak, there is definitely no denying it. I break down easily like an engine with sugar poured into it. I honestly cannot defend my well-being; any sort of demeanor-diminishing comment that gets thrown my way destroys me, and I break into a thousand pieces as if they threw a ball at a vase. I can't live long in a Anti-Pokemonistic society. In school, cool rules. And I'm not cool. I need not become less cool by revealing my liking to Pokemon, but somday, I know I'll have to. But I'm afraid of when that will be, and how others will interpret it.

I don't want to hide the fact that I like Pokemon, but as long as I'm in an environment where I'll be ridiculed and forced to recess into a dark corner for safety from prying eyes or pointing fingers for liking it, I honestly can't. I percieve it as a decision much too difficult for me to make without exploding. But I will not stand for such idiotic actions. I don't want to grow up as a fake me; I want to grow up with people accepting me for who I am, but as long as Anti-Pokenism is a threat to me and my mental and physical safety, I have no choice but to keep those secrets bottled up for now. Only here can I release such emotions. However, I swear, I will, no matter what happens, will grow up as the genuine me and only the genuine me. The one that enjoys Pokemon as a pastime, enjoys mathematics and studying astronomy, and is timid and shys away from the limelight of popularity. It may be the unknown, unpopular me, but this is the real me. And the world needs to know it and accept it and deal with it, no matter what it may be. It is my opinion; I wat to not care what others may see me as a result of it. I'm just too weak for now, but when I become courageous, I will reveal the truth, and I don't need the power of the Wizard of Oz to make it happen.

that was beutiful, dude.

I don't get why people who hate pokemon bash other people who like pokemon.You have a right to express your opinion,but why rediculed other peoples' opinion? People take hatred on things too far and often people felt ashamed they like pokemon.That's what cause flame wars.If you don't like something,you don't need to make fun of that person who likes it,respect their opinions and they respect your opinion if you have a valid reason and as long it's not offense to the people who like it.Unfortunately some people dislike something and without any thought they bash other people who like it because they hate it.

I think most haters of Pokemon are stupid. They have absolutely no idea what goes on in the video games, mainly the formulas. That is the main reason why I think they are stupid (they can't do math). Why do they hate Pokemon? They need something to crave their stupid joys of bashing on things that people love, and seeing as Pokemon is very popular, they can easily harm some people by bashing Pokemon.

When defending Pokemon, it is always (for obvious reasons) brain vs. brawn. You, the defender, have reasons why they, the offender, are wrong about what they say about Pokemon. The most common form of Pokemon abuse would probably be that Pokemon is for babies (Like what sergei said). As I said before, haters have no idea what goes on inside a Pokemon game. If a hater so much as goes on Serebii.net, their brain would explode, that's just how dumb haters are - no info, no support, no argument, no contest.

Pokemon lovers vs. Pokemon haters

Lovers win due to all of their knowledge of the game mechanics.

Oh yea, and there is a larger number of lovers then there are haters.

I love it when people ask me "Are you seriously playing Pokémon?", especially considering my stature, manner of dress, and the fact that I do publicly.

I simply explain that Pokémon is kind of like GTA: Yes, it's a video game, but should you buy it for your kids? Make that choice.

Pokemon, in my eyes, is terribly violent. Horrifically. Often, I regret sicking one of my giants [Isuitgon, Terrorgator, Ma'at'] against the tiny ones [Pikachu, Swablu, Rattata], as the outcome will be obvious.

"Terrorgator, use bite!"

While yes, in game, it simply causes damage. But in the real world, that ____ Pokémon would be dead. Dead as hell. Bitten in half. Or simply devoured.

Other thoughts of Pokémon, like those with the ability to simply start fires, or mentally insinuate action upon people, is a terrible idea for children to have in their heads. That sense of reckless power and unchallenged moral reality is simply too much for kids to consider, even if they don't think about it. I did when I was a kid, and look at me. ._.

If I had my way, Pokemon would be much more violent, and kids wouldn't be allowed to play it. xD

Back then in 4th grade it was very popular, what it was becoming I seen strategies that I've never thought of, It was great; in that time I wanted to stay in it, I still do even to this day, during my last year, I felt like I was an oddball, but I still played those games, no matter how much they tormented me, at least I support from some of my friends that accepted that I was different, they themselves aren't fans; but at least, I never stopped playing.

See kids in my grade and stuff all grew up with R/B/Y they might of out grew it but they still joke about it.

But why hate pokemon at lest hate the anime. The games are a classic RPG.

The Trading card game is a classic game.

The anime......well when misty left I hated it.

But people who hate pokemon to a degree are dumb. Just dislike it if It's not for you