Discussion for this months tournament on the 27th of February hosted by yours truly~!

Here's the rules I got so far.

GOLDEN RULE: DO NOT LEVEL YOUR POKEMON ABOVE LEVEL 5! ANYTHING OVER LEVEL 5 WILL NOT BE ALOUD.

Rule 1: All pokemon must be in there lowest form of evolution. Pokemon without evolutions like milktank and Tauros do not count.

Rule 2: Single battle, 6 vs 6, level 5 pokemon. Do not go over level 5 under any circumstances.

Rule 3: You may not have the 2 or more of the same kind of pokemon. However you are aloud 2 or else of the same held item being used on you're team.

Rule 4: All pokemon from all regions are aloud, including movesets from HG/SS.

Rule 5: No hacks. Please make sure all pokemon you enter are legitimately obtained.

Rule 6: This tournament will be played on pokemon Diamond/pearl/platinum, And Hg/Ss if anyone has it. Please make sure you're wifi is functioning properly and you know how to battle online.

Rule 7: Clauses in play:-
Sleep Clause - Only one Pokémon can be put to sleep by an opponent at a time, per team.

Self-KO Clause - If an opponent uses Selfdestruct or Explosion with their last Pokémon, they lose the game regardless of the number of Pokémon remaining on the other team.

OHKO Clause - Guillotine, Sheer Cold, Horn Drill and Fissure are banned.

Evasion Clause - Moves that lower accuracy, or increase evasion are banned. However, moves that heighten accuracy are allowed.

Fixed damage clause Sonic boom, and dragon rage are banned.

DeepSeaTooth Clause - The item "DeepSeaTooth" is banned.

Rules 8: Players must choose a certain amount of pokemon from each of these boxes. Each box allows a certain amount. OU is 2, BL is 4, and NU/UU is unlimited.

a) ONLY TWO of the following:
The OU Pokémon of the NFE tier:

Abra, Aipom, Bagon, Barboach, Bellsprout, Bronzor, Buizel, Carvanha, Chinchou, Cranidos, Croagunk, Cyndaquil, Diglett, Doduo, Dratini, Drifloon, Duskull, Elekid, Exeggcute, Gastly, Gible, Gligar, Hippopotas, Houndour, Kabuto, Machop, Magnemite, Mankey, Mantyke, Meowth, Misdreavus, Munchlax, Omanyte, Paras, Ponyta, Porygon, Slowpoke, Snover, Squirtle, Staryu, Taillow, Teddiursa, Voltorb, Wailmer.

Anorith, Aron, Buneary, Bonsly, Cacnea, Charmander, Chimchar, Clamperl, Cubone, Drowzee, Eevee, Geodude, Glameow, Goldeen, Growlithe, Horsea, Krabby, Koffing, Larvitar, Lickitung, Lileep, Magby, Makuhita, Mime Jr., Natu, Nosepass, Numel, Oddish, Onix, Phanpy, Poliwag, Psyduck, Ralts, Ratatta, Remoraid, Riolu, Rhyhorn, Sheildon, Shroomish, Shuppet, Smoochum, Spoink, Stunky, Surskit, Swinub, Tentacool, Trapinch, Treecko, Venonat, Vulpix, Wooper, Zigzagoon.

Azurill, Baltoy, Beldum, Bidoof, Budew, Bulbasaur, Burmy, Caterpie, Cherubi, Chikorita, Chingling, Cleffa, Combee, Corphish, Ekans, Electrike, Feebas, Finneon, Grimer, Gulpin, Happiny, Hoothoot, Hoppip, Igglybuff, Kricketot, Ledyba, Lotad, Magikarp, Mareep, Mudkip, Nidoran F, Nidoran M, Nincada, Pichu, Pidgey, Pineco, Piplup, Poochyena, Sandshrew, Seedot, Seel, Sentret, Shellder, Shellos, Shinx, Skitty, Skorupi, Slakoth, Slugma, Snorunt, Snubbull, Spearow, Spheal, Spinarak, Starly, Sunkern, Swablu, Togepi, Torchic, Totodile, Turtwig, Tyrogue, Weedle, Whismur, Wingull, Wurmple, Zubat.

Looks like the makings of a pretty unique tournament. Just be sure that you can get someone who can examine competitors' teams between rounds for hacks if you can't do that well yourself. Best of luck with the tournament!

Oh boy this sounds exciting! I checked the Little Cup Forums, though, and to them these Pokemon are banned: Meditite, Murkrow, Scyther, Sneasel, Yanma, Tangela. You might want to consider doing the same for this tournament, especially because of Scyther and Sneasel.

Wait, why are those banned? Aren't they lowest-evolved-forms themselves?

Did you talk to Cat about this because I told him about it a long time ago?

Rule 7 definitely needs to go.

I would actually think that Pokemon with no evolutions should be banned, but I'm on the fence for that as well. I mean, things like Heracross, Miltank, Tauros, and others shouldn't be permitted if they don't really have a "baby" form and are already fully evolved.

Fine I'll Co-Host as long as you let me create a list of pokemon you can use.

Oh, I see. I misread Rule 1, thought it meant Pokemon with no evolutions WERE allowed. My bad. Carry on.

I say any pokemon with only one evolve form (ex: Bronzor to Bronzong) should be banned.
They will be slightly more powerful than Pokemon with two evolve forms (Like Bulbasaur to Ivysaur to Venasaur).

And i better get working on my team... but my friend has my game... oh darn it *grabs diamond* no...

It's a called little battle. The pokemon should be unevolved completely, first stage pokemon, who can't evolve. Also, the pokemon should be set at level 5.

Legendary must banned too....! They not evolved but they're strong!

Actually, Level 5 pokemon would take less time. Having a team at level 5 means you have to breed them, then simply get them to level 5. It would put everyone on the same level and let people create new teams.

The idea of this cup is nice. I think that level 50 must be the level as it gives the people more opportunity to train their Pokemon. Also, I think that we need to go on with all the banned Pokemon of Smogon. They all are stronger than the other baby Pokemon.

*sigh* How can I explain this to you people? Raising pokemon to level 50 takes more time. I'd have to raise a completely new team. With level 5 you can breed the moves you want for the pokemon onto the pokemon, and give them TMs or Move tutors for anything else. Putting it at level 5o makes things far more difficult. Level 5 IS little battle.

Anyway, Little Cup rules involve Pokemon at lvl. 5, so breeding plays a massive role to get the right moves. Yes, there IS a level 50 option, but if I recall correctly there is also an "Anything Goes" kind of option where pokemon levels are kept where they are. This could either be a little cup tourney, with level 5's, or just a level 50 tournament using pokemon in their smallest stage. Maybe it will be put to a vote?

I assume the regular banned Pokemon will be banned in this tourney?

I really, really like this idea, as it is unique and offers many common Pokémon to be put into play. Thumbs up for that.

As to the rules, here's my opinion:

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Originally Posted by Sunny Rule 1: All pokemon must be in there lowest form of evolution. Pokemon without evolutions like milktank and Tauros do not count. Agreed 100% Rule 2: Single battle, 6 vs 6, level 50. Agreed Rule 3: You may not have the 2 or more of the same kind of pokemon, or item on your team. Agreed with the same Pokémon part. However, why can't we have the same items on our team? Things like Leftovers, Life Orbs and many others are very common on multiple Pokémon. I say change that Rule 4: All pokemon from all regions are aloud, including movesets from HG/SS. Agreed Rule 5: No hacks. Please make sure all pokemon you enter are legitimately obtained. Agreed Rule 6: This tournament will be played on pokemon Diamond/pearl/platinum, And Hg/Ss if anyone has it. Please make sure you're wifi is functioning properly and you know how to battle online. Rule 7: Clauses in play:- Sleep Clause - Only one Pokémon can be put to sleep by an opponent at a time, per team. Self-KO Clause - If an opponent uses Selfdestruct or Explosion with their last Pokémon, they lose the game regardless of the number of Pokémon remaining on the other team. OHKO Clause - Guillotine, Sheer Cold, Horn Drill and Fissure are banned. Rule 8: List of banned pokemon Scyther Scyther Yanma Sneasel Meditite Murkrow Tangela This is the standard list of banned Pokémon in the Little Cup tournaments, which are more or less the same as NFE tournaments.

Abra, Aipom, Bagon, Barboach, Bellsprout, Bronzor, Buizel, Carvanha, Chinchou, Cranidos, Croagunk, Cyndaquil, Diglett, Doduo, Dratini, Drifloon, Duskull, Elekid, Exeggcute, Gastly, Gible, Gligar, Hippopotas, Houndour, Kabuto, Machop, Magnemite, Mankey, Mantyke, Meowth, Misdreavus, Munchlax, Omanyte, Paras, Ponyta, Porygon, Slowpoke, Snover, Squirtle, Staryu, Taillow, Teddiursa, Voltorb, Wailmer.

Anorith, Aron, Buneary, Bonsly, Cacnea, Charmander, Chimchar, Clamperl, Cubone, Drowzee, Eevee, Geodude, Glameow, Goldeen, Growlithe, Horsea, Krabby, Koffing, Larvitar, Lickitung, Lileep, Magby, Makuhita, Mime Jr., Natu, Nosepass, Numel, Oddish, Onix, Phanpy, Poliwag, Psyduck, Ralts, Ratatta, Remoraid, Riolu, Rhyhorn, Sheildon, Shroomish, Shuppet, Smoochum, Spoink, Stunky, Surskit, Swinub, Tentacool, Trapinch, Treecko, Venonat, Vulpix, Wooper, Wynaut, Zigzagoon.

Azurill, Baltoy, Beldum, Bidoof, Budew, Bulbasaur, Burmy, Caterpie, Cherubi, Chikorita, Chingling, Cleffa, Combee, Corphish, Ekans, Electrike, Feebas, Finneon, Grimer, Gulpin, Happiny, Hoothoot, Hoppip, Igglybuff, Kricketot, Ledyba, Lotad, Magikarp, Mareep, Mudkip, Nidoran F, Nidoran M, Nincada, Pichu, Pidgey, Pineco, Piplup, Poochyena, Sandshrew, Seedot, Seel, Sentret, Shellder, Shellos, Shinx, Skitty, Skorupi, Slakoth, Slugma, Snorunt, Snubbull, Spearow, Spheal, Spinarak, Starly, Sunkern, Swablu, Togepi, Torchic, Totodile, Turtwig, Tyrogue, Weedle, Whismur, Wingull, Wurmple, Zubat.

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Originally Posted by Sableyed *sigh* How can I explain this to you people? Raising pokemon to level 50 takes more time. I'd have to raise a completely new team. With level 5 you can breed the moves you want for the pokemon onto the pokemon, and give them TMs or Move tutors for anything else. Putting it at level 5o makes things far more difficult. Level 5 IS little battle.

Aww yes, the item thing is only there because its a standard rule in most tournament. I just don't wanna see focus sashes and leftovers on every single pokemon. Buuuut I guess I could trust people not to go TO crazy with those items. =w= And ill add those other rules up to.

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Originally Posted by Shadow I really, really like this idea, as it is unique and offers many common Pokémon to be put into play. Thumbs up for that. As to the rules, here's my opinion: I have a good suggestion to prevent over-using some powerful NFE evolved Pokémon, like Anorith. Each person must choose: a) ONLY TWO of the following: The OU Pokémon of the NFE tier: Spoiler Alert:     Abra, Aipom, Bagon, Barboach, Bellsprout, Bronzor, Buizel, Carvanha, Chinchou, Cranidos, Croagunk, Cyndaquil, Diglett, Doduo, Dratini, Drifloon, Duskull, Elekid, Exeggcute, Gastly, Gible, Gligar, Hippopotas, Houndour, Kabuto, Machop, Magnemite, Mankey, Mantyke, Meowth, Misdreavus, Munchlax, Omanyte, Paras, Ponyta, Porygon, Slowpoke, Snover, Squirtle, Staryu, Taillow, Teddiursa, Voltorb, Wailmer. b) ONLY TWO of the following: The BL of the NFE tier: Spoiler Alert:     Anorith, Aron, Buneary, Bonsly, Cacnea, Charmander, Chimchar, Clamperl, Cubone, Drowzee, Eevee, Geodude, Glameow, Goldeen, Growlithe, Horsea, Krabby, Koffing, Larvitar, Lickitung, Lileep, Magby, Makuhita, Mime Jr., Natu, Nosepass, Numel, Oddish, Onix, Phanpy, Poliwag, Psyduck, Ralts, Ratatta, Remoraid, Riolu, Rhyhorn, Sheildon, Shroomish, Shuppet, Smoochum, Spoink, Stunky, Surskit, Swinub, Tentacool, Trapinch, Treecko, Venonat, Vulpix, Wooper, Wynaut, Zigzagoon. c) ONLY TWO of the following: The UU/NU of the NFE tier: Spoiler Alert:     Azurill, Baltoy, Beldum, Bidoof, Budew, Bulbasaur, Burmy, Caterpie, Cherubi, Chikorita, Chingling, Cleffa, Combee, Corphish, Ekans, Electrike, Feebas, Finneon, Grimer, Gulpin, Happiny, Hoothoot, Hoppip, Igglybuff, Kricketot, Ledyba, Lotad, Magikarp, Mareep, Mudkip, Nidoran F, Nidoran M, Nincada, Pichu, Pidgey, Pineco, Piplup, Poochyena, Sandshrew, Seedot, Seel, Sentret, Shellder, Shellos, Shinx, Skitty, Skorupi, Slakoth, Slugma, Snorunt, Snubbull, Spearow, Spheal, Spinarak, Starly, Sunkern, Swablu, Togepi, Torchic, Totodile, Turtwig, Tyrogue, Weedle, Whismur, Wingull, Wurmple, Zubat. I deeply believe this is the best option to avoid inequalities, cheating and whatnot. However, I'm not saying this has to be followed. It depends on the hosts of the tournament and the participants' opinions, and whether they agree or not.

Thankyou sahadow you just made my job completly useless enjoy doing hack checks because I quit.

*sigh* Look, I think we should make this a proper Little battle. Based on the breeding ability of the trainers. If we don't want to do that, then fine, but can we try to make it even for the people who DON'T want to have to raise a new team to level 50?

look, if we let second stage pokemon into the tourny and let pokemon be leveled to any level they want, they will be more powerful than the pokemon that were bred and kept at level 5. With EVs having two pokemon at level 50 won't make them equal. And if we let second stage pokemon in, they will be more powerful. I just personally think we should go by little battle rules, As I enjoy little battle.

Ok things seem a bit jumbled so, if I may, I have made a little something to lower the confusion.

CLASSIC LITTLE BATTLE:
-Pokemon in their lowest evolution forms are used.
-All Pokemon are Level 5.
-"Free Battle" mode would be chosen, and both Trainers would have Pokemon EXCLUSIVELY at Level 5.
-EV training is very difficult when Level 5 is the limit, so it would be easier to make a team and have battlers moderately equal.
-Breeding Pokemon and using TMs are the methods to get good moves on these Pokemon.

NOT FULLY EVOLVED BATTLE-
-Pokemon in their lowest evolution forms are used.
-The "Level 50" battle option is chosen, but these Pokemon could normally be at any level.
-EV training is now an option.
-Pokemon can now use any move let get by level up, making much breeding worthless (sans getting Egg moves)


EITHER ONE-
-Lowest evolutions are used.
-Two Pokemon from each Tiers must be used (OU, BL, and UU/NU)
-Pokemon that do not evolve are banned.
-Tangela, Scyther, Sneasel, Yanma, Murkrow, and Meditite are banned.

These are the two battles being debated over, I hope this helps!

I think I'd personally go with the classic Little Cup Battle rules. I want to skip EV-training.
However, that's only my opinion.

Oh my...you guys think I should make a poll?

Indeed. Considering Little Cup and NFE Level 50 involve vastly different playing strategies.

Prolly. Also, one thing you missed is that in little battle, pokemon who don't evolve aren't allowed.

I think he was talking about me, when I posted that BIG summary a few posts up. ^^^^

hm. Magmaster ha a post listing the pokemon that could be used and I saw Sableye in it. I guess he deleted the post, though.

All done~! Polls up. =w=

Aww and yea, I was considering allowing sableye and other weaker pokemon. What tier do you think sableye would be in?

I dunno. Top one, Maybe?

I have a little battle team already, It has one top rank, 2 middle rank, and 3 bottom rank. I'm thinking of restructuring it anyway, but can we have more bottom rank pokemon than top rank?

Well, here. Make it so that Lv. 1-5 is the restriction, even though the game will force-cap it to Lv. 50. That way, people won't be freaking out about teams.

Seriously, I wouldn't enjoy EV training my little baybee Pokemon to Lv. 50. It probably wouldn't even done properly, I'd have to either keep pressing B or hold an Everstone.

If the tourny is going to be a level 5 free battle, I probably wont join.
It just wouldn't be a pokemon battle, it would be more like "Who can find the strongest pokemon on the unbanned list"

Tell me, quad, have you ever actually HAD a little battle? Try the little cup in PBR, Little battles aren't that simple.

This is true. It is alot more moveset based rather then stat based. I've played the little cup tourney before and ice punched my way to victory with a sneasel. =w=

I'll leave the pull up for 1-2 more days. Don't wanna wait too long to decide.
...
*is still sad sneasel is banned. ;~;*

I'd love it if sableye was available, but if we let one-stage pokemon in that opens a floodgate.

Umm, the whole point is that EVERYONE uses level 5's. That way it's even.

The battles should be level 1. It would twist things up a little bit.

The idea to use 2 Pokemon was a great idea, but I have to say its making it really hard to make a balanced team! The UU/NU tier is especially displeasing, with Pokemon like Magikarp and Weedle.

Level 1 is kind of impossible, and it prevents pokemon bred in previous games. Level 5 gives you a tiny bit of time to train your pokemon.

Well, I've been convinced enough. =w=
Level 5 it is. Aww also, I will allow more then 2 NU/UUs and BL. However you may still only use 2 OUs.

(Now just to figure out how to close the poll. .-.)

Oh! So we could have say 4 BLs? And is Item Clause on, or can we have more than one of an item?

1. 3 Pokemon Only. Makes it quick and smooth
2. Level 5 and below. Need I say more
3. No legendaries.
4. No One Hit KO moves
5. Please, keep it simple enough for my poke-ball sized brain to understand


A Level 50 would ruin the 'Little Cup" purpose and wouldn't be a little cup.

Sableye is allowed now? Ruh roh! I had better find a good counter to the Pokemon without a super effective weakness...

I checked the listing of unbanned pokes.

Umm... No Wynaught.
Just trust me on this. Its considered uber on Smogon for a reason.

No wynaut. Yes sableye. Also no legendaries is a moot point, since most pokemon who don't evolve aren't allowed anyway.

Why is he banned? Why not! XD

On non-pun related topic, Are we only letting in Fartetch'd and Sableye? They're the only pokemon I would use anyway, but if somebody requests a pokemon that fits, we should probably evaluate it.

Mm yea maybe I shouldn't. Waaah im fickle. I just kinda wish pokemon like farfetch'd actually get a chance to fight ya know? =w= But...yea if I let a few in, a ton of request will be pouring in soon enough. Sorry sable.

*sniffle* I'll be fine. Really.

Not to mention Tangela, who I really wanted to abuse :(

I know I'm a bit late, but I see no problem with the rules right now. I think the choosing from the different tiers was a great and clever idea. We better both make it to the finals again, Sunny.

Okay, I think the rules have been finalized now. I'll start preparing my team.

On a side note, when will the tournament take place?
(I hope it's towards the very end of February, since I'm very busy with tests right now >_>)

I'm sure I'll be knocked out in the first round AGAIN, but I'll join.

Just to point out, Free Battle at an unspoken Lv. 5 restriction is winning out.

Unspoken meaning it's not forced by the game, but for the tourney's sake you need to make sure they're at that level.

Hack checks? How?

Haha true, true. In fact, I'm probably going to record the best battles I have, and upload them!

Oh! Big time news! I believe there is another something that should be banned...

DeepSeaTooth.

This doubles Clamperl's special attack to a MONSTROUS 36, which lets it shred through teams easily. Even Munchlax, the top dog when it comes to special wallking, is 2HKOd.

DeepSeaScale is OK though, since it doesn't make it a vicious sweeper.

Yes, Deepseatooth should verily be banned. Also, maybe, for this tourny, we might let in Mawile and Sableye?

I'm not sure if this is a typo or not, but the rules do have a contradiction. Rule 8 says that you may only use 3 BL, while Rule 8 B) states that you can use up to four. Can this be fixed please?

Uuuhg typos. .-. Thanks Ditto~!

Should there be a freeze clause?
To my knowledge, there isn't a move that causes freeze (without inflicting damage to HP). so i'm kinda split between that.

What are the chances a level 5 pokemon could freez two pokemon? I say don't bother.

Naaaah I thought of freeze clause but its really not that important.
The odds of getting 1 freeze is 1/10. So the average of 2 freezes (Non-consecutively) is 20 moves that induce ice attacks. And even at that its still luck based and can go over 20 attempts. Don't worry I won't add it. The rule list is already large enough. =w=

Okay! So far, this looks like a good tourney! I wish I could co-host with some others. If someone hasn't already volunteered for the team checking, I can do that. So, good luck with the tourney! BTW, I can help you on any tourney needs.