With E3 coming up, I think making a thread for this would be a good idea. The official game title will most likely be revealed during E3, so I'll change the thread title when that time comes. Being a big fan of the series, I was seriously disappointed when nothing was revealed about SSB4 during E3 of last year.

This year, however, I've heard news that more details will be revealed including a few newcomers and fighting concepts. If anyone wants to speculate about which characters, items, or fighting mechanics that will be in the new game, feel free to give your opinions.

I'm pretty sure we're going to be getting seriously teased about it this year. I don't know how, but Nintendo is always devious.

It seems very likely Zoroark will be added to the roster. I don't think Zoroark will replace Lucario because their movesets would be nothing alike. For an X and Y rep, I'd say they could bring back Mewtwo and have him changeable into his new form. They could redo Mewtwo's moveset to make him a little more useful and different from Lucario. This is very unlikely, but if Gallade is in the roster I will go crazy because Gallade is my favorite Pokémon! I also get the feeling that Pokémon Trainer will be replaced in favor of a different trainer such as Hilda/Hibert and the 3 Gen 5 starters (My guess is that it'd be either Snivy, Dewott, and Emobar or because Oshawott is so popular Osahwott, Servine, and Emboar). It's pretty likely that other gen 5 pokémon (and maybe even gen 6) will be added as Pokéball Pokémon. The most likely to become one that I can guess right now would be Victini, Reshiram, or Zekrom.

As for non-Pokémon characters, King K.Rool, Ghirahim, Krystal, Mega Man, and Little Mac seem very likely to make it in due to how many fans that want them and they all seem like they'd be great additions. I get the feeling Wolf will be cut due to having a copy paste moveset from Fox and Falco. I don't think Falco will be cut because he made the cut from Melee to Brawl, so if he could do that than I think Falco is here to stay. I also think Sonic and Snake will be saying bye-bye because Mr.Sakurai said he wants to cut down on third-party characters, so that probably means there'll only be one in the roster, and seeing that Namco Bandai is co-developing the game and the fact that he hinted at a Capcom character making an appearance in the game, I think either Pac-Man or Mega Man will make it. Maybe both. I think HAL will keep Toon Link because of the Wind Waker remake for the Wii U and the fact that there isn't really anything that could replace him except for Young Link, but Toon Link is a well-liked character among the Smash community so I think Toon Link's staying for at least one more game. I don't want Ike to get cut because of how useful he is. I think all HAL will do with the Fire Emblem reps is just add 1 more, which would most likely be Roy, Lyn, or Chrom.
I get the feeling King K. Rool will be the god tier character of SSB4 if he gets in because he'd be heavy, fast, and a hard hitter. He'd give Meta Knight a good run for his bits that's for sure.

I hope megaman sneaks in there and many other epic characters who need a turn

Yeah get RYU from street fighter in there he'll be awsome to use. [hes the only street fighter im good with]

One big thing to consider before speculating on characters from non-Nintendo franchises: how difficult would it be to acquire the license to use the characters? Pretty much anything that belongs to Sony (such as featured characters in PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale) or Microsoft (unless they pull out of gaming), or anything that belongs to anyone who has exclusive agreements with either company, has practically zero chance of being included.

^ This

I'm seriously annoyed by how many characters some people want in the game regardless of how well they'd probably fit in and obvious overcrowding.

We don't need more then at least 25 characters tops, because it becomes way to crowded then it should be.

Detailed gameplay video

This screenshot pretty much sums up my reaction to seeing the trailers.

The Wii Fit trainer was certainly unexpected, too. I like the start of her introduction video!

I think her presence in the game is freaking hilarious.

I didn't see Yoshi for once in this trailer, makes me wonder if he got booted or is now an unlockable character... oooor if he just didn't happen to be in this fabulous trailer. But the Wii Fit character, obviously the best character of all. That made me chuckle, I wonder how she will play like.... "YOGA ATTACK AHOIII!" That's all that comes to mind. Im' not a fan of the new additional characters revealed so far, Megaman and the Animal Crossing guy. Hope to see a better roster of charterers as we inch closer to 2014!

Just watched the bit before E3 and I'm excited about the inclusion of Megaman into the mix, though I don't know what to make of the Wii Fit trainer so far.

Wii Fit Trainer!!! Omg yes!

Okay all my little joking aside. I'm okay with this character list. (With the exception of lack of Yoshi's so far) I'm intrigued on how many characters this one will have. (If more than Brawl that is.

I am also curious whether or not Snake or Sonic will still be included.
I mean, I can see Sonic still being in since he is doing some exclusive Wii U titles. But Snake is iffy.....

I'm a little surprised by the revealed roster choice so far, mainly because I wouldn't choose them for the first trailer. But hey, it's their game, they do what they want with it. Mega Man is definitely an A+ Five gold stars from me, though. I'm happy to see how it looks so far, however I know this means that the hype will be dragged across the floor ever so slowly and painfully until launch, just because those greedy scumbags can(Seriously HAL, not even thinking about how I feel...). But in all seriousness, I'm glad they brought back the dojo, this is going to be one heck of a ride for this game, and it seems they're on the right track.... spirit track!(Get it, because the tracks is one of the stages? XDXDXDXDXD Okay I'll just leave now)

So the website is up I feel so nostalgic having it in my bookmarks for the first time in five years.

So Balloon Fighter was also in the trailer, which raises the question as to if he's on the roster or is just an assist trophy. I think it's safe to say Balloon Fighter will be playable, especially because Sakurai mentioned that he wanted more retro characters in the next game. Since Final Smashes are back and Samus was using her's in the trailer, I wonder if Zero Suit Samus will return? They didn't show her with regular Samus so maybe not sadly.

I thought when they showed balloon fighter it was villager

That's definitely not Balloon Fighter as a playable character - Either an item or maybe Villager's recovery move. I really don't want to see another old franchise with one notable game to return again this time; Sure, the new Kid Icarus game was awesome, but Ice Climbers just need to go.

http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=205176

So apparently both games will be released on different days, the 3DS one is having problems.

Luckily it's just the 3DS version. I'm pretty sure there would be a lot more concern if there were problems with the Wii U version instead.

Heck, one of the reason I'm getting a Wii U is for this game.

"No DLC plans"

Yet. DLC actually would be cool for this game to add new characters or stages, but it'd get weird if you play with someone without the DLC, not to mention it could get expensive.

Those titles are kind of boring. *renames thread*

IT'S A MEGAMAN!!!! Aww yeah who called I did! I knew he would be in it! Also Villager and wii fit trainer are characters witch seem pretty cool. And dem graphics are nice! This game is making me want a wii U so since my birthday is comin up I think I know what I want!

I am hoping that there will be a story mode in this game, like they did in the last SSB game. It was really fun and a good way to unlock new characters.

Pokémon Trainer says hi.

Actually, now I'm wondering what characters will get kicked out. At this point, I'm betting Pokémon Trainer is gone to make way for Zoroark and/or Mewtwo again.

I'd count on Mewtwo's new forme replacing Lucario.

I don't see a reason for replacing Pokemon trainer unless he's going to be replaced by another pokemon trainer with different pokemon.

I wonder if they've been collecting usage statistics of online matches. That'd be a great way to judge which characters actually get used often.

Looks like it's confirmed that some characters will indeed be dropped:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/201..._wii_u_and_3ds

I'll also post this tier list here:
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Tier_list#Brawl_tier_list

Of course, the tier list means little when you look at how much certain characters have moved around and how they could just re-tool characters in lower tiers to be better.


(I'm somewhat hoping Jigglypuff gets cut for a Pokémon that doesn't look like a clone of Kirby. )

Hmm, how are we going to abbreviate these two games? After all, there are tons of abbreviations that make sense for other games, like these:
Brawl = Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Melee = Super Smash Bros. Melee
Black 2 = Pokémon Black 2
X = Pokémon X or the upcoming Xenoblade game on Wii U
OoT = The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
KI:U = Kid Icarus: Uprising

...But how will we abbreviate these? SSB3DS and SSBWIIU?

You must not be really trying. Smash Bros. 3D and Smash Bros. U could work. SB3D/SBU. It's simple and very short for those lazy Americans who refuse to type whole things out.

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Originally Posted by Cat333Pokémon (I'm somewhat hoping Jigglypuff gets cut for a Pokémon that doesn't look like a clone of Kirby. )

I'll be happy if Jigglypuff returns with a revamp now that it's part fairy.

I doubt Jigglypuff will get booted from the character list, but Lucario might and get replaced by Zoroark.

Some other characters that I think might get booted are ROB and Ike. From what I've read, ROB was just a filler character possibly just to go along with Adventure mode. There's also a possibility that Ike will be replaced by Chrom.

What I think would be interesting is for Pokémon Trainer to get redone with a new starter trio to use.

Yeah I really don't see Zoroark happening since it's move don't play out the same way as Mewtwo's and Lucario's.

I think it would be more fitting as a Pokeball Pokemon.

Sakurai said there would be less characters (to fit with the limitations of the 3DS) so don't get that crazy with your ideas.

Pokémon Trainer will probably be offed as well as Lucario to make way for either Zoroark or something from Gen VI.

I can see this one having very few clones if any at all. The problem was only slightly fixed in Brawl and considering the current revealed characters it might actually be a thing... I fear for you, Luigi! Please have some Luigi's Mansion upgrades...

Last night, Turt and I were trying to predict the moves for the Wii Fit Trainer and the Villager from Animal Crossing. I've decided to try to predict the Villager's moves. One theory I had was that the Villager will have different Special Moves while on the ground and in the air (I doubt this will happen). If you see slashes in between moves, then that means either move could be assigned to that button alignment.

Villager's Moves (Prediction)

A- Weed
Side A- Umbrella
Down A- Bowling Ball / Weed
Up A- Stick(this might be a taunt)
Dash A- Potted Plant

Aerial A- (?)
Aerial Side A- (?)
Aerial Back A- Slingshot
Aerial Up A- (?)
Aerial Down A- (?)

Side Smash- (?)
Up Smash- Fireworks
Down Smash- (?)

Neutral Special- Pick-Up
Neutral Special [Air]- Pick-Up
Side Special- Shovel, Axe [if near grown tree]
Side Special [Air]- Slingshot
Down Special- Grow Tree/ Pick-Up
Up Special- Balloon (Balloon Fighter)
Up Special [Air]- Balloon (Balloon Fighter)

I guess I'll do what I found for Top Tier Character Wii Fit Trainer

Predicted Moves of Wii Fit Trainer
Neutral A- Single Arm Extension
Tilt A- Dance
Down A- Bridge
Up A- Triangle
Dash A- Half-Moon

Side Smash- Warrior Pose
Up Smash- Tree Pose
Down Smash- Arm and Leg Lift

Up Air- Jackknife
Down Air- (Generic foot smash without a name)
Forward Air- Single Leg Extension
Back Air- ???

Neutral Special- Soccer Heading
Side Special- (Possibly Soccer Heading again, not a strong guess)
Down Special- ???
Up Special- Hula Hoop

Final Smash: Wii Fit (Launches numerous colorful Yoga and Strength poses at opponents.)

Supposed Taunt- Push-up challenge.

...I predict out of love.

Now a week later I thought I'd also share my Megaman predictions. After seeing his reveal videos a couple more times I got something.

Neutral A- Mega Buster
Forward A- Walking Mega Buster
Down A- Slide
Up A- Mega Upper (From MvC)
Dash A- Top Spin

Side Smash- Charge Shot
Up Smash- Spark Shot
Down Smash- Flame Blast

Neutral Air- Mega Buster in the jumping position (Hey, you can almost perfectly emulate the NES games!)
Up Air- Air Shooter
Down Air- Hard Knuckle
Forward Air- Flame Sword
Back Air- Slash Claw

Neutral Special- Metal Blade
Side Special- Crash Bomb
Down Special- Leaf Blade
Up Special- Rush Coil (Oh look, Sonic's Spring move. Sonic de-confirmed.)

Grab- Super Arm (Because it was revealed as a Robot Master Power :I)
Taunt- (That thing he does to enter and leave a stage. Does that have a name?)

Final Smash: 100% Unknown But I seriously hope it'll be the MM6 or MM7 Rush Adapter.

TurtwigX what about the move where you access his dog?

Rush coil is his dog it makes him bounce up height which is rushes default it makes the most sense for rush his dog I'm only a bit of a megaman fan...

Sakurai says there will be no story mode or cutscenes in this game because people ruined it for everyone by putting the cutscenes from Brawl on Youtube

The story mode and speechless cutscenes aren't really necessary, especially in a fighting game. Though it would've been interesting to see how Wii Fit Trainer would've appeared.

There's still a 1 Player mode, though.

Why am I just now finding out that no one caers about this?

I thought it was awesome because we had so many characters interacting with each other which made it awesome.

Ruined by putting them on YouTube? I don't look at spoilers, and I especially avoid looking at game stuff on FailTube for games I have an interest in playing.

The entire internet isn't just you, Cat. They were leaked all over the internet causing many fans to see them long before Sakurai intended. This ruined the magic for a lot of people, so the Subspace Emissary wasn't as popular. And the team spent a lot of time working on those cutscenes.
This just proves that the internet ruins lives. Although, I spoiled myself to a few and I still liked them.

I know, but that's the fault of those gamers, and millions of gamers still saw them for the first time in the game.

You can argue all you want about if the Subspace Emissary was ruined, but we all know people come back to Smash Bros. games to fight with their friends, which definitely seems to be the focus in these titles. Not fanservice, not cutscenes, gameplay.

That's why Sakurai ALSO said the focus this time is being put on the fight mode. He's going for the perfect balance (So many Wii Fit Baby jokes) between casual play and competitive play to make one tight experience. A Melee x Brawl baby, if you will.

And because of this, do you think some Final Smashes will change for the better? If Peach returns, will it be better? And will Mario's actually stop sucking?

I'm going by what he's said in interviews. Now it's not necessarily going to be "perfect," I mean, what is? He just wants the gameplay to be fun for parties like Brawl and yet great for competitive play like Melee. Because apparently tiers and balance mean something to him.
I don't follow the tier list so as long as Wii Fit Trainer has amazing moves I'll enjoy this to the fullest.

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Originally Posted by Cat333Pokémon (mostly because it's the Pokémon that has been in every Smash game)

Hopefully they'll still have the adventure mode like in Melee.

I thought the Subspace Emissary was its replacement.

Umm, I'm gonna assume that "balance" is gonna mean buffing up the characters that are in lower tiers hence why Bowser was shown and sped up. Dunno if it'll do them justice since it's WAAAY to early to predict, but hey, they're trying.

Yoshi could use a buff for a better Up B, lol. Never really gives me THAT much of problem, but sometimes, I just wish it was better...

As for replacing characters: I like Lucario, but he'll probably be left out. Hoping for Melee Mewtwo. I'm on the limb about Pokemon Trainer since he has Charizard, but he'll probably be scrapped, too. With that said, maybe Ridley will replace Charizard. MOAR METROID PLZ. Personally, I'd prefer Sylux, but he isn't really popular so... At least for a trophy assist. At least...

Today they announced Luigi.

Today's daily image insinuates that Villager's apparent Up Special has a catch: the balloons can be popped by other characters. The once "all powerful murderer Villager" now has a drawback if knocked under the stage or so.

This drawback also got me thinking about his pick up move. Is it going to work like Oil Panic where he can just stand there as long as he wants? Or is there some key element of timing behind it? That'd make it a trickier thing to use.

I hear sonic makes a return as well.

I heard about it all over twitter before i watched the direct.

And it's also on the official website with lots of pretty pictures.

These pictures are starting to be more frightening than satisfying. It looks like Smash Bros. 4 will just be a Brawl HD. I wish they'd upload some music or mechanics once in a while...

Does Snake come back, though?

I have a feeling next week or the following week they will reveal something pokemon related in this game.

I'm almost entirely sure there will be another Pokémon coming in who wasn't in previous Brawl game. As much as I'm hoping for Zoroark, it will likely be something from Gen VI.

Someone at school showed me a leaked image of one of Mewtwo's formes fighting alongside Pikachu. It definitely looked legitimate.

Today's image pretty much sealed the fate of a Gen VI being playable. I'll miss you Zoroark... But since I don't know anything about Kalos I can't guess who it'd be.


Uncross your fingers, there's no way Xerneas will be playable.

Ehhh, I don't want Xerneas to be playable. I'm just gonna assume that he's a new Poke Ball Pokémon.

They have already said newcomers: manga man wii fit trainer and the villager
And they brought back two characters just because of games being released
Sonic because of sonic lost worlds
And toon link because of loz wind waker hd
I hope they luigify toon link or else he's a wate of a character
(Luigifying came from when they gave Luigi a different moveset in melee)
I think they should include tails if they included sonic or at least add him as an assist trophy
Meta knight and king Dedede should return as veterans and maybe they could have bandana dee because of Kirby's return to dream land
Speaking of the Humanoid Pokemon in every game like lucario or mewtwo
They might not even bring back those guys but if they do it's probably going to. Be lucario or mewtwo because of their mega evolutions but maybe they will bring zoruaork but that's
Unlikely because of the fact that they skipped gold and ruby and sapphire.
They should replace jiggly puff with another iconic but different Pokemon from the series.
Pokemon trainer will be a hard one to decide, but I think they should have fennekin, foakie, and chespin (idk what their evolutions will be)
Think about it ditto as a Pokeball character he could do what melee wanted him to do
Transform into its master and help it in battle.

With that kind of confirmation, I'm pretty sure Xerneas and Yveltal will be stage Pokémon like Dialga and Palkia on Spear Pillar.

Abundant Shrine
a Grassy platform with a shrine in the background and landourus will come out and cause an earthquake which characters will react to. there are also trainers in the background that also react to the earthquake.
PUT DITTO IN

Hey I was right about something pokemon related getting revealed.

There's a new idea with the male wii fit trainer but what are they doing about the thing with
Wii fit U 's trainers?
They might be character costumes though.
Sakurai claimed there might be some more new characters added to the list.
Who do you think will be in the next newcomer trailer?

GUESS WHO'S BACK AND MORE FEMININE THAN EVER?


http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/marth.html

Another image was given to us by the wonderful Mr. Sakurai. I hope he doesn't work himself to death...



That's the new Ray Gun. BEAUTIFUL, AIN'T IT? He said it was designed to be too cartoony to have any resemblance to a real gun, but specifically added the Smash Bros. emblem backwards so it would work like a stamp. It seems like he's really digging the HD the Wii U offers. (Seriously, don't kill yourself.)

HOLY $%^&^^%$^

That's pretty cool, right now this game is my main reason for getting a Wii U.

The real interesting part is how Rosalina and the Luma both play. Basically using 2 different characters that can work to combo together

I also saw that the Luma can Take Hits for Rosalina.
So Positioning the Luma means Everything in her gameplan