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http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/...ders-departure
It looks like incessant whining caused the creators of a popular game series (Mass Effect) to leave game creation entirely.
1 – GalliumGrantI can understand when you really put your heart into something and create something for others to enjoy and it falls flat, or worse they give you negative feed back you don't watn to do it again becuase your reminded of the hurt, yes I do speak from experience unfortunately. It's sad to see the big head of companies leaving because the internet decides they don't like something in particular. When you get something you put your heart into shot down it hurts, there is no guess about it and that's how it is. I don't blame and understand them for getting out. Sad to see the internet caused this, got to love whining.
1 – GalliumGrantIf a game has a bad ending isn't really anything to b**** about. Okay, so you don't like the ending; is it really the end of the world? No, it isn't. Your negative reactions not only hurt people who might have actually appreciated the ending, but also the creators themselves. Some people don't even know how HARD it is to make a game! And what if the next game in the series had an even better ending?! You're not helping by ranting on and on about nothing!
That's my POV on this hullabaloo. But hey; it's my opinion. and not yours. >__>
2 – JDxImpetus, GalliumGrant|
If a game has a bad ending isn't really anything to b**** about. Okay, so you don't like the ending; is it really the end of the world? No, it isn't. Your negative reactions not only hurt people who might have actually appreciated the ending, but also the creators themselves. Some people don't even know how HARD it is to make a game! And what if the next game in the series had an even better ending?! You're not helping by ranting on and on about nothing!
That's my POV on this hullabaloo. But hey; it's my opinion. and not yours. >__> |
3 – 7dewott8, GalliumGrant, NytzIf you have a problem with a game, criticize it, don't complain about it. Criticism is how you tell developers to improve, complaining is how you tell developers you hate their work. Criticism makes developers want to improve, complaining makes developers want to quit.
6 – GalliumGrant, Yoshi648, JDxImpetus, Cyrus, Cat333Pokémon, ShadeI think you are giving them too much credit. If they were any good at making games they would fix what the people didn't like instead of quitting.
And it wasn't just the ending, everything was awful about the game. From the emotionless characters and voice acting to the boring cover based shooter gameplay.
If anyone is acting spoiled it's the people who quit because the people didn't like what they made.
2 – PokeRemixStudio, hinorashi|
I think you are giving them too much credit. If they were any good at making games they would fix what the people didn't like instead of quitting.
And it wasn't just the ending, everything was awful about the game. From the emotionless characters and voice acting to the boring cover based shooter gameplay. |
2 – JDxImpetus, Cyrus|
First, if they even respected the work they at least attempted to put into the game, they wouldn't have moaned about it. Secondly, by moaning they ruin it for everyone else who likes the game. Thirdly, even if it did suck, they tried to make something good, and that's what counts. It hurts when something you work so hard on flops and is hated by your fanbase. They didn't leave because the game didn't meet expectations, they left because of all the negative reactions of the fans.
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2 – PokeRemixStudio, GalliumGrantThis just in, 91% of Mass Effect players are idiots! (minor spoilers)
I agree! Nobody should be given the liberty to express dissatisfaction or negative feelings about heedless corporation decisions, whether it be about insulting game endings, DLC, or even Youtube.
Clearly, the lead developers who quit are heroes. The lesson learned here is that you should just bail out instead of trying to learn from your faults. Who gives a crap about the customers... corporations deserve all the mindless praise and dollars they can squeeze out of consumers. Reap and run!
2 – hinorashi, EaglesConstructive Criticism is different than complaining....If you complain without giving them ideas on how to make it better it doesnt help and just puts pressure on producers
look at Megaman Legends 3...before capcom pissed people off NO ONE COMPLAINED
all the fans did was help out..and gave their constructive criticism on what they want or dont want
1 – SyracuvatTenliiNot everyone is as skilled in charisma and has as much knowledge as a professional critic.
Babies cry when they need something and good parents try to fix that instead of quitting. Babies can't criticize because they don't understand everything they need, they just know when they need food or need to be changed. You can't assume that gamers understand everything they want, most only know that they want a game that's fun and has a good story.
And they were more specific on what they wanted than babies. They specificly said they wanted a better ending and instead of the makers fixing it, they quit.
This reminds me, another thing that caused this was the game journalists who reviewed Mass Effect 3 as a great game instead of making an honest review.
3 – PokeRemixStudio, GalliumGrant, hinorashi
4 – Cat333Pokémon, GalliumGrant, Velociraptor78, Eagles|
Not everyone is as skilled in charisma and has as much knowledge as a professional critic.
Babies cry when they need something and good parents try to fix that instead of quitting. Babies can't criticize because they don't understand everything they need, they just know when they need food or need to be changed. You can't assume that gamers understand everything they want, most only know that they want a game that's fun and has a good story. And they were more specific on what they wanted than babies. They specificly said they wanted a better ending and instead of the makers fixing it, they quit. This reminds me, another thing that caused this was the game journalists who reviewed Mass Effect 3 as a great game instead of making an honest review. |
3 – JDxImpetus, GalliumGrant, DashArmy
4 – JDxImpetus, GalliumGrant, Eagles, hinorashiI still find it funny how crazy gaming has become that people will sling mud at one company because their products aren't of the same "standard" as another company's products they've played.
3 – Cyrus, GalliumGrant, JDxImpetus|
If every gamer and reviewer followed that virtue, every game would have a 10/10 because the faults would be swept under the rug. Nobody would know which games are worth playing and which are not.
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The thing that reminds me of this was how some game review sites got so much flak for not rating Skyward Sword a perfect 10, but still giving it 9s. It makes me just disappointed that now a days, even a 9 to some people means that a game is bad. 9 is a great score, even 8 is great. I just hate this "perfect" expectation.
3 – JDxImpetus, Cat333Pokémon, ThePokeMan|
The thing that reminds me of this was how some game review sites got so much flak for not rating Skyward Sword a perfect 10, but still giving it 9s. It makes me just disappointed that now a days, even a 9 to some people means that a game is bad. 9 is a great score, even 8 is great. I just hate this "perfect" expectation.
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2 – Fubab_107, Cat333Pokémon|
Im not saying that
i meant constructive criticism, not complaining if they HELPED on saying what they wanted instead of complaining about it it would've been better but first Lol on being banned in a single player game ok...but its like why Constantly give ZERO help but Full on complaint |
2 – Cyrus, JDxImpetus|
I think you are giving them too much credit. If they were any good at making games they would fix what the people didn't like instead of quitting.
And it wasn't just the ending, everything was awful about the game. From the emotionless characters and voice acting to the boring cover based shooter gameplay. |
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So, do the opinions of others not matter to you or something?
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I've never played Mass Effect so I don't have an opinion on it, but a couple of my friends have played the series and they said they enjoyed the series with the exception of the ending of ME3.
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Constructive Criticism is different than complaining....If you complain without giving them ideas on how to make it better it doesnt help and just puts pressure on producer
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3 – JDxImpetus, PokeRemixStudio, TediousRamenOh look, it's this thread again.
Honestly, I've never played the Mass Effect series, but if the negative fan reaction was enough to make the heads of BioWare quit the gaming industry, maybe the ending really WAS that bad. But I will agree with some of the people here- Constructive criticism is always better than flat-out complaining.
Then again, we're talking about the leaders of a big industry, so they're essentially faceless and replaceable at the flick of a switch.
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Complaining helps a lot. All honest feedback helps. I don't see why you don't understand that.
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And they were more specific on what they wanted than babies. They specificly said they wanted a better ending and instead of the makers fixing it, they quit.
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2 – Gamernamerjj, CyrusIn my day all we got when we finished a game was GAME OVER or CONGRATULATIONS! or something to that extent. We didn't go complaining about it because it wasn't about the ending, but enjoying the journey we took to get there.
*Man, I'm only 21 and I already feel like an old man ranting about how everything was better in my day and people don't take stuff for granted anymore.
4 – ThePokeMan, JDxImpetus, Cat333Pokémon, Cyrus|
I don't believe that's true in the slightest degree right there. If that were true, every person who says "omg that game suks u should go out and pla cod lulz" could be taken as perfectly valid criticism, and where would that put you? They didn't tell you WHAT you did wrong, so how do you know what to fix? That's where the line between constructive criticism and complaining is drawn. If you can't point out exactly what you need changed, you're just whining about it.
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| An ex-Bioware developer has claimed the negative fan reaction to Mass Effect 3 and Star Wars: The Old Republic led to company founders Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka leaving both Bioware and the games industry. |
| "You have to love games and you put your heart into them to create them. To have the fans creating petitions against the work is pretty hard to take, especially when you've spent the last few years crunching overtime to try and ship a game. It can be hard to shut off the overwhelming negativity the internet spews forth, especially when it has your name or the name of your company in it." |
1 – PokeRemixStudio|
What does that have to do with anything and why are you arguing with straw men? The game creators were thin-skinned and quit because people didn't like their game.
That's nice for them. I do not think you understand what constructive criticism is. If the complaints specify reasons for their displeasure, it is constructive. If the complaints do not specify reasons ( which would not allow for improvement ), it is not constructive. Voicing complaints are perfectly valid forms of critique. Alerting somebody of flaws while coddling them is not constructive criticism. The developers show an apparent lack of emotional maturity to understand this and stormed out like a small child not receiving praise on their artwork for the first time. It's probably for the better that they exit the business if they cannot handle customer feedback. If this were any other industry, it would be unacceptable behavior. Let's say a chef who specializes in pizzas tended to burn them and people 'complained'. Rather then, let's say, not burning them in the future, the chef storms out of the pizzeria and closes shop. Simply because you're an avid fan of said company does not mean you should pardon bad behavior. |
I watched the endings myself, and given the magnitude of the series it was like giving the Lord of the Rings trilogy a morbid Looney Toons cartoon ending. It rushes to end it, and leaves many plotholes and makes all the characters seem screwed over, even in the best endings. and Porky Pig pops out of a hole and shouts th-th-t-th-that's all, folks! It's something the writers are responsible for, but the lead developers felt shameful enough to quit anyway. But maybe they're a little bit accountable for accepting the original ending. Maybe they shouldn't have said to the writers "I'll take whatever ending you an come up with in 30 minutes right now. I don't care if you're drunk."
3 – JDxImpetus, hinorashi, DashArmy|
They were told what was wrong. That's why the guy wanted to quit. If he was quitting over people saying "omg that game suks u should go out and pla cod lulz" as you put it, he'd look like even more foolish. Did you even bother to read the article?
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3 – JDxImpetus, Gamernamerjj, Cyrus|
However, I still believe that the fans did cause this to happen more than the developers did. Imagine this: you write a speech and recite to a crowd of 40,000. After you recite your speech, about 25,000 people come up to you during the next few weeks to tell you how much it flat-out sucked because it was missing X aspect near the end. After the first few, you'd be bound to be a bit ticked that people are continuously pointing out what you did wrong, so you rewrite it and get about 35,000 to come back and listen to the amended version.
After you give this, about 5,000 of them tell you that this version was better, and that they were satisfied. However, about 20,000 of them tell you that because your first one was so bad, that they just tuned you out and made conversation with themselves, and then continue to criticise your first draft. |
1 – hinorashi|
I actually wasn't referencing the article there, but the earlier post saying that complaining is a valid source of feedback.
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However, I still believe that the fans did cause this to happen more than the developers did.
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4 – PokeRemixStudio, TediousRamen, JDxImpetus, GalliumGrantIt seems the BioWare doctors didn't leave due to negative responses at all. It was just a blown up rumor from one of the other employees.
1 – hinorashi
4 – hinorashi, GreenMan, GalliumGrant, 7dewott8