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Pokémon General → Is using in-game trainers' Pokemon bad (AR related)?

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1. Justjack91 said on December 24, 2009, 05:52:03 AM (-08:00)

Zoroark
289 posts

A friend of mine recently got an AR and used a code that enabled him to catch Pokemon of the Elite Four. He wanted to catch Cynthia's Pokemon (of which I know are all at 31 IV's) and is asking me if it's okay for him to use the Pokemon against others since they have legit moves and stats (outside of the stats being comparably better than other people's typical Pokemon).

Now I told him it's slightly wrong because he didn't work for the Pokemon and they will be superior to equivalent clones of the Pokemon that just won't have the stat power his has. At the same time, they're not powered up past the rules of the games.

So I ask you all this moral question: if someone catches an in-game trainer's Pokemon using a hacking device (i.e. Action Replay), are those Pokemon considered legit for battles with other people in online battles?

Please discuss your views on this. I'm very curious what responses I'll get.

2. Sunny said on December 24, 2009, 06:33:28 AM (-08:00)

Keldeo
1,136 posts

Well of course I think its unfair to get perfect IVs and a high level pokemon right off the bat without training, but I don't really have anything against it because I can win anyways~! Ahahaha! *shot*

but uh yea. If someones gonna mess around with an AR or ******* it should only before in-game use, unless the opponent allows it.

3. Luxray13579 said on December 24, 2009, 07:20:10 AM (-08:00)

Shaymin
2,679 posts

DON'T CATCH FLINTS INFERNAPE IT GIVES YOU A BAD EGG. I would know I have one from that reason.

4. The Spirit of Time said on December 24, 2009, 07:52:32 AM (-08:00)

Rayquaza
3,934 posts

Surely not! Even if they are with legit boundaries, if a persontries to upload the battle video, the GTS won't allow this, thus the person will know that the foe's team was hacked and then will go on flaming at that foe. Also, in other forums, you can report about this and the hacker would get infracted or banned from any online competitive battling forums.

5. Yoshi648 said on December 24, 2009, 11:02:32 AM (-08:00)

Administrator
3,147 posts

Muk no.

6. DashArmy said on December 24, 2009, 11:16:02 AM (-08:00)

Regigigas
936 posts

As Yoshi said, muk no.

If AR is on, it's cheating. Period. And it's hard to find legits on the GTS these days.

7. Justjack91 said on December 24, 2009, 02:46:47 PM (-08:00)

Zoroark
289 posts

Alright. I think I'm finding a resounding no on using them (with Yoshi's response being the best).

You guys are right. Any Pokemon that was received through an AR shouldn't be allowed to be used against others.

I'm be showing my friend some of this lol.

8. Will said on December 24, 2009, 09:14:38 PM (-08:00)

Zoroark
252 posts

Hacking to make all Pokemon shiny = Fine.
Hacking to get insane EVs, Stats or IVs = No.
Hacking to learn all TMs/Any move = No.

Anything that changes the Pokemon in a way that it is somehow stronger then it is supposed to be is wrong.

9. Serenade said on December 27, 2009, 01:39:17 AM (-08:00)

Volcarona
617 posts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will
Hacking to make all Pokemon shiny = Fine.
Hacking to get insane EVs, Stats or IVs = No.
Hacking to learn all TMs/Any move = No.

Anything that changes the Pokemon in a way that it is somehow stronger then it is supposed to be is wrong.
I'd count shiny hacking still illegal, because it demeans others shinys, which were actually found that way.

10. TurtwigX said on December 29, 2009, 07:23:53 AM (-08:00)

Giratina
3,060 posts

It will never be legal to hack and thn actually use them.
If it's just for fun, then it's alright.
If you cath an e4's Pokemon and actually use them for legit battles and related, it's just cheating and that shouldn't be allowed.

11. EricThePelipper said on December 29, 2009, 08:25:36 AM (-08:00)

Zoroark
288 posts

Hacking is not legal or fine within the game. It gives him an unfair advantage and all of us a disadvantage. Your friend won't be trusted with Events or any legal battles anymore.

12. Will said on December 29, 2009, 03:27:03 PM (-08:00)

Zoroark
252 posts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Serenade View Post
I'd count shiny hacking still illegal, because it demeans others shinys, which were actually found that way.
I mean in WiFi, no one cares if you have shiny Pokemon.
Legit stats = a-okay.

13. Serenade said on January 17, 2010, 02:54:01 AM (-08:00)

Volcarona
617 posts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will View Post
I mean in WiFi, no one cares if you have shiny Pokemon.
Legit stats = a-okay.
I still say its bad. Other people worked hard for their shinys, or traded well for them. It earns respect if you have shinys, in a way. Its demeaning if you just AR up shiny-ness while someone else methodically found it.

14. James said on January 18, 2010, 12:12:03 AM (-08:00)

Volcarona
665 posts

I have a legit shiny palkia (yes it's possible) And btw It's morally wrong because the makers of the games gave the in game players different types of pokemon. So it would be a disadvantage to the person who was battling these in game pokemon.

15. Will said on January 18, 2010, 01:51:33 PM (-08:00)

Zoroark
252 posts

Quote:
Originally Posted by James View Post
I have a legit shiny palkia (yes it's possible) And btw It's morally wrong because the makers of the games gave the in game players different types of pokemon. So it would be a disadvantage to the person who was battling these in game pokemon.
How? Shinies have the same stats, moves and everything as a normal Pokemon, just a sparkle to it's smile and a diff. color.

I have 4 boxes of legit shinies, traded and tested via Pokemon Revolution, mostly obtained via PokeRadar. They aren't hard to get at all, legendaries are hard.

16. Serenade said on January 19, 2010, 04:32:52 PM (-08:00)

Volcarona
617 posts

While yes, they aren't hard to get, you still forced a variable, you still cheated. If you used a hack, then the poke should be banned.

17. Will said on January 20, 2010, 02:00:05 PM (-08:00)

Zoroark
252 posts

Nah league rule says you're allowed hacks as long as it doesn't modify the stats and such. This is league, so you can make your own rules for your friends, but in tourneys, hacked shinies or getting unobtainables are fine as long as stats are legit.

18. Sunny said on January 21, 2010, 10:28:53 AM (-08:00)

Keldeo
1,136 posts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Will View Post
Nah league rule says you're allowed hacks as long as it doesn't modify the stats and such. This is league, so you can make your own rules for your friends, but in tourneys, hacked shinies or getting unobtainables are fine as long as stats are legit.
.

A dood was caught last pokemon tournament for hacking. I think his stats were legit but he had a huge advantage over others for Perfect IVs, Perfect EVs, perfect Nature, and hard to obtain moves which ALL were probably obtained in only a few minutes in *******. In victoryroad, hacked pokemon are not aloud for the reasons states above. No exceptions. Some other leagues may allow it, but its clear that hacking gives a ridiculously big advantage compared to those who must work for that stuff, or just casual battlers.

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