Even with the closing of the Victory Road Gym League, competitive battling is still part of the community here at Victory Road. And even though there is no auto-leveling in Black and White, a tournament is still possible! This is that tournament! There hasn't been a Pokemon Wi-Fi tournament in such a long time, I figured we need one to get this place into competitive battling and maybe even draw in some new members.

The all important rules of the tournament:

-This tournament will be 3v3, Level 100: Self explanatory, your 3 Pokemon vs the opponent's 3 with your levels being 100.

-Pokemon in the Uber tier are not allowed.

Arceus

Blaziken

Darkrai

Deoxys and all forms besides Deoxys-D

Dialga

Excadrill

Garchomp

Giratina (both forms)

Groudon

Ho-Oh

Kyogre

Lugia

Manaphy

Mewtwo

Palkia

Rayquaza

Reshiram

Shaymin Sky Form

Thundurus

Zekrom

Count me in when it happens!
Name: PHANTOMxTRAINER
FC: 3997-6729-7383

I will be on my way to train now! YAY!!!!!!!!

While I don't agree with the Item Clause...

I do believe there should be a Hax Item Clause. Those items are rather cheap and could be rather dastardly in certain situations.

Okay Quad, sorry :<. But same with the items clause as TPM. and what are the hax items?

Omfg I can't read! Sorry and yeah I do think they should be banned.

Is discussion about Hax Item clause even necessary? Hax items are cheap, nooby, and annoying, giving the user an unfair advantage. Kings Rock, Quick Claw, etc. should not be allowed.

Any person SUPPORTING the use of these items isn't a fair wifi battler in my opinion.

Concerning the item clause, I think the use of Leftovers should be unlimited, as I don't see Leftovers as a cheap item to have on your pokemon.
However, one thing I've seen a lot is a restriction put on how many Focus Sashes you're allowed to put on your team. I think there should be no more than 1 Focus Sash per team.

Also wondering, will Drizzle + Swift Swim be allowed in this tournament?

I seriously think 6v6. It is how everyone is used to battling and could show they have true talent

TEAMS OPINION

I think that it should be 6 vs 6 because I have always battled that way and it isn't that more difficult. Also It gives a large chance to defend yourself from other attackers. An Example would be if a pesky Sigilyph was battling you and you didnt have a rock electric or ice pokemon on your team.

Which is why a 3v3 tourney requires more strategy, like Ditto said. Also, I think a 3v3 would be doing people a favor so they don't have to as much time making a team. However, I will not make any final decisions on the team sizes until more people start discussing. I will open a poll up if necessary.

EDIT: After a bit of thought, I've decided there won't be any discussion on the team size. Because I'm making this a 3v3 tourney.

Sorry for the double post, but I've added another thing to discuss. This one involves Eviolite Stones due to how cheap they can be, but they aren't completely broken. Let the discussion take place.

NOnononoNoNonooNOoo xD Err my team is.. full of eviolite xD

Ordinarily I oppose the Item Clause at all turns, but now that the battle style has officially been made 3 vs. 3 I find it easier to support the clause. 3 vs. 3 makes me think of the Battle Frontier, where the Item Clause is in effect, and for very good reason. 3 vs. 3 simply prevents effective team diversity, no matter how you look at it, and competition for slots becomes fierce. As such, it is easier to abuse certain strategies. For example, as Reuniclus mentioned, a team full of Focus Sashes could be tough to handle effectively, as Stealth Rock is no longer an effective move with only 3 enemies to deal with, and both Abomasnow and Tyranitar suffer extreme blows to usefulness. A similar argument could be made with the Eviolite, but I don't feel much like going into details.

As such, I believe that it would be fair to instate the Item Clause (words you will never hear me say ever again) simply because of the 3 vs. 3 style. Looking forward to this tournament!

Well.. I suppose it is reasonable to add the Item Clause. And if you really want some practice, I advise Random Matchup as long as you dont have the legendaries.. I think I almost got an Item Clause free team

I'd like to add that we should also ban any items that cannot be legitimately obtained in Gen V, such as the Salac Berry.

Good timing! I was actually raising a team before this thread existed! But the way I'm training is by making teams in every single region of Pokemon (Including XD and Colosseum) and later transferring them to my Pokemon White.

Also, I agree completely with the 3 VS 3 idea. As you've said before, it let's people show their true talents. Another thing, I think putting this tournament on the last Saturday of August is a great idea, since people could EV train and stuff like that. One question though: If Black and White 2 were come out between now and the tournament, would we be allowed to use it?

I wouldn't count on it being released as I think Japan isn't even getting it until June.. I think. Also, I have a question: Are we aloud to put 3 or more pokemon in our party when the tournament comes and switch our pokemon around or something to confuse our opponent but only enter 3 pokemon?

Double post, but for good reason.

I'm a little late on updating this, but I have added the Item Clause to the rules. Unless someone is strongly opposed to it and has reason to back that, the Item Clause will stand.

Will there be prizes for the winner of the tournament, and for those coming in 2nd, 3rd, or 4th?

I don't think I'm going to do good at this at all D:

Is RNGed pokemon allowed? As i think its a legit thing as smogon as a complete guide on this stuff. Plus sadly i cant enter as i might be gone the whole summer.

If I remember correctly, BW RNG abusing requires you to know your ID and secret ID, so I will say no to that. However, D/P/Pt RNG abusing does not require you to know your ID/secret ID and only requires you to use a program to find a seed, so this is a bit of a toss up.

Eh, I think I will just say no to RNG abusing.

heck most of my b/w pokemon is rnged so what to do about them? I use the rng reporter from somgon and the b/w uses the same stuff as the other games. They also talk about a site to check your SID instead of using hacks to find them out.

You'll just have to find other Pokémon to use. Go out and catch some new Pokémon or you can breed the ones you think will be good.

dang it about 80% of my pokemon are rnged. I'll keep them for other places that allow RNGed pokemon. I guess i'll find a way to build around this.

I just realized that I am going to be busy the last Saturday of August, so the date of the tourney will have to be changed unless someone is willing to run the tourney while I am away. I will have more details as the date grows nearer, but I know for a fact that the last Saturday will not do for me.

I hope that is alright with Cat and Ditto.

EDIT: Disregard that info, I spoke before I knew the official date of when I was going to be busy. The last Saturday is probable, but I would still like a back-up date in case something pops up unexpectedly.

-Relevant double post-
Added a new rule regarding Sturdy and Focus Sash on the same team.

Will there be any moves that are banned from the tourney? Like Dark Void on Smeargle?

-Relevant double post-

Because I rushed the rules and didn't double check them, I added the Evasion Clause. Why I didn't notice it wasn't there in the first place is a bit beyond me.

Evasion Clause- Does that include accuracy dropping moves since its basically the same thing?

Technically no, because people can switch out to remove the accuracy drop, but seeing as there is only 3 Pokemon per team, I might consider banning accuracy dropping moves.

O_0 Why did I ask?!

Added a discussion topic to the intro post. This one involves accuracy lowering moves.

Well, like you said. We can always switch out, unlike raising evasiveness when you have to phaze them or kill them.. I say that we keep them

Theres not that many moves that lower accuaracy and proboly not many people will use.

*bump*
Will this tournament coincide with Ditto's planned VGC tourney?

He hasn't told me any details on the VGC tourney besides the rules. You should ask him instead.

*cough*
This thread will be locked until the July tourney is very near (maybe within a week this will be reopened).

This is just a bump to inform everyone that this thread has been reopened and discussion on rules can continue to take place.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask them now.

Just remember the things currently up for discussion are if accuracy lowering moves should be legal due to the team size and if the date should be something other than the 25th (the last Saturday of the month).

Accuracy lowering moves have always been legal compared to evasiveness boosting moves. This is because your opponent can swap out and have the effects reset. I don't see any reason to ban them, even with only the three Pokémon.

With nothing to discuss at this moment and all the rules established, signups will begin this Saturday and last until a day or two before the tournament (which is currently scheduled to be on the 25th) unless someone has something to discuss regarding the tournament.

Seeing as I will be fairly busy the week before and the week of the tournament, I'm letting Reun help out by creating the signup thread and the check-in thread (if necessary).