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Pokémon General → Say I were to do the soft-reset deal for a shiny azelf...

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1. Flare Soru said on January 25, 2010, 08:39:00 AM (-08:00)

Volcarona
533 posts

how long would it take? / how many resets approx.
Want to know if it's worth it... Shiny Azelf looks pimp. (and Azelf is the best of the lake trio IMO)

Did it for a little bit last night and before classes this morning...still no shiny.

2. Shadow said on January 25, 2010, 09:11:48 AM (-08:00)

Giratina
3,209 posts

I'm not trying to make you feel bad, but my friend at school did about 10,000 Soft-resets to try and obtain a shiny legendary Pokémon, and still hasn't encountered it yet. (Yes, you read it right - he spent about a year trying to get it)
However, I also know people who, from the 100th Soft-reset, got a shiny Pokémon.

So, the conclusion is: It all depends on your luck.

3. Alakazamaster said on January 25, 2010, 09:24:55 AM (-08:00)

Kyurem
2,366 posts

You have a one in 8,192 chance of finding a shiny azelf. Best of luck!

4. Quadcentruo said on January 25, 2010, 06:46:49 PM (-08:00)

Giratina
3,684 posts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alakazamaster View Post
You have a one in 8,192 chance of finding a shiny azelf. Best of luck!
OR! If you clean all your badges so they have four shiny sprites, your odds increase to about a quarter. so... a one in 2,048 chance with super shiny badges.

Now trying to get the right nature shiny legendary... odds: 1 in 204,800 chance

5. GreenLiquid said on January 25, 2010, 06:53:33 PM (-08:00)

Regigigas
881 posts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadcentruo View Post
OR! If you clean all your badges so they have four shiny sprites, your odds increase to about a quarter. so... a one in 2,048 chance with super shiny badges.

Now trying to get the right nature shiny legendary... odds: 1 in 204,800 chance
Wait, what? Since when did shining your badges increase shiny probability?

6. Quadcentruo said on January 25, 2010, 06:56:03 PM (-08:00)

Giratina
3,684 posts

Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLiquid View Post
Wait, what? Since when did shining your badges increase shiny probability?
I don't know! i just found out a year ago.
My friend is huge on D/P/Pt and he knows quite a few secrets.

Also, if you notice, the super shiny badges have the same shine (not the circle shine) as shiny pokemon

7. Alakazamaster said on January 25, 2010, 06:57:22 PM (-08:00)

Kyurem
2,366 posts

REALLY? I never knew that before...

8. Quadcentruo said on January 25, 2010, 07:07:16 PM (-08:00)

Giratina
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alakazamaster View Post
REALLY? I never knew that before...
And now you know,

BECAUSE KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

9. GreenLiquid said on January 25, 2010, 07:26:52 PM (-08:00)

Regigigas
881 posts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadcentruo View Post
And now you know,

BECAUSE KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
Erm... does he have a source perchance? If not, I'm calling shenanigans on the grounds that I can't find any confirmation on Bulbapedia or Serebii.

10. Serenade said on January 25, 2010, 10:54:57 PM (-08:00)

Volcarona
617 posts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadcentruo View Post
OR! If you clean all your badges so they have four shiny sprites, your odds increase to about a quarter. so... a one in 2,048 chance with super shiny badges.

Now trying to get the right nature shiny legendary... odds: 1 in 204,800 chance
IDK, that sounds alot like a rumor...

11. Flare Soru said on January 26, 2010, 07:11:26 AM (-08:00)

Volcarona
533 posts

I doubt it... Sounds like something someone just made up to sound like they know what they're talking about.
There's a lot of math involved to arrive at 8,192, and with a basic knowledge of how that number is arrived at, I don't see how you could cut it by a quarter.
8192 isn't a number pulled out of thin air you know.

As they say on this forum (and this forum only, lol)
I call shenanigans.


And besides...I'm not soft-resetting for a shiny anymore...I just don't have the patience it takes.
Heck I could easily get pokemon to lv. 100 if I had the patience for it...same with shiny deal.
Anyways, Im just catching a normal one with an ultra...but without my Vaporeon Wall (I love that vaporeon) then It's proving to be just as hard...especially 2 hours later. >.>
I need my vaporeon...this would be soooo easy with it.

12. Cat333Pokémon said on February 4, 2010, 03:22:46 PM (-08:00)

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13. DysfunctionalDragons said on March 5, 2010, 01:00:42 PM (-08:00)

Mudkip
32 posts

Sorry for bumping an old thread, but I happen to collect shinies and I can share some info on how to soft-reset for them intelligently.

You can calculate the probabilities of encountering a shiny Pokémon after a given number of resets using powers and logarithms, and then use that to plan a schedule.

(MATH WARNING)

An easier way of calculating probability in this case is to calculate the chances of the event not happening. For every wild Pokémon you encounter/receive in your game, there is a 8191/8192 chance of it being not shiny. If you're going to reset several times, you can then raise that value to a power, and subtract the answer from 1 in order to get the chances of any one of those resets coming up as shiny.

For example, let's say we're going to reset one hundred times.

(8191/8192)^100 = 0.987866 chance that none of the resets will come up as shiny
1-0.98766= 0.01234, so it's about a 1.2% chance of getting a shiny after only 100 resets.

Now, this might seem better at first, but if you graph an exponential function like this, you'll see that the value you'll get will never reach 0. It approaches 0, but never reaches it. There is no number of resets that will give you a guaranteed shiny.

Let's try plugging in a different number— Shadow gave the example of 10,000, so let's use that.

1-(8191/8192)^100=0.70500
That's just more than a 70% chance. Shadow's friend was unlucky, but not extraordinarily so.

You can try plugging in all the values you like, but sometimes it can be helpful to calculate the exact number of resets needed to have a certain chance of getting a shiny. For that, we need to use logs. For those of you who haven't had advanced algebra yet, log functions are basically reverse-exponents. We want to take the log, base 8191/8192, of the target probability to get our number of resets.

Here's a formula you can plug into a scientific calculator, even if you don't get how it works:

(ln(1-P)/ln(8191/8192)) = R

P = probability of getting a shiny
R = resets required

We're using 1-P because we're still technically calculating the probability of none of the resets being shiny. You'll probably get a decimal number, which you'd want to round up because you can't do .2 of a reset.

Say you want to know how many resets will give you a 90% of getting a shiny:

ln(0.1)/ln(8191/8192) = 18862

PEARL OF PALKIA! THAT'S A LOT OF RESETS! How are we ever going to fit that many resets into our schedule?

First of all, you want to learn how to multitask while resetting. Streamline your process so that you're hitting A habitually at the right times, and that you hit L+R+Start+Select right when you get a good look at the Pokémon. You can reset while doing anything that doesn't require both hands or your full attention. Browsing the internet, IMing, watching videos, and daydreaming are things that I frequently reset while doing.

Secondly, you're obviously not going to be doing all these resets in one day, so I'd recommend making a schedule for it. 100-200 for school days (if you're in school) and 500-800 for weekends/breaks is what I'd recommend. Yes, that's a lot of time, but you really want that shiny, don't you? Calculating the probability as above can give you a good idea when you'll get that shiny if you keep to your schedule, though it truly is random and your chances don't ever improve. I keep track of my resets by making tick marks on a sheet of scrap paper. Pretend you win something for having a record of so many resets— that will keep you going when tedium sets in.

I hope this makes things a little clearer regarding probability and actually doing this while remaining productive/sane.

(written and posted while resetting for a shiny Toys R Us Arceus in Platinum)

14. Will said on March 5, 2010, 06:37:31 PM (-08:00)

Zoroark
252 posts

Yeah all about luck. As DD said. I second.

15. DysfunctionalDragons said on March 5, 2010, 08:16:51 PM (-08:00)

Mudkip
32 posts

Also, this is irrelevant to soft resetting, but the only thing that increases the shiny chances to 1/2048 is hatching eggs from Pokémon that came from different language cartridges, as detailed on Bulbapedia here. I'm pretty sure the badge polishing thing allows you to do anything other than play with the differently tuned notes that sound when you touch the badges.

16. OMGITSJAD said on March 8, 2010, 10:23:07 AM (-08:00)

Shaymin
2,490 posts

@DysfunctionalDragons
My math homeworks...let me show you them.

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