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1. SpaceMan++ said on December 23, 2009, 07:28:35 PM (-08:00)

Zoroark
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DEBATE: Is abortion right? What should the ideal law for abortion be?

I think abortion is right only with valid reasons. It is unfair for the child if he/she has genetic disease, therefore, that child may be aborted ONLY BEFORE CERTAIN PHASE OF FETAL DEVELOPMENT.
The law should not ban abortion, abortion should be a freedom.

2. DashArmy said on December 23, 2009, 07:34:47 PM (-08:00)

Regigigas
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Yes. Freedom. Good idea.
But what if it was teen pregnancy? I mean, it would seem like a better choice for a teen in the long run. Especially if she has a STD or other related diseases.

3. Jaredvcxz said on December 24, 2009, 06:23:04 AM (-08:00)

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Well, until the baby is actually born, they're pretty much a parasite. And people have died from childbirth, so abortion is right.

4. LiteTheIronMan said on December 24, 2009, 02:41:24 PM (-08:00)

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The Catholic Church thinks abortion is murder and murder is a sin. But technically the fetus isn't even alive until it leaves the womb and draws breath, so it's not even murder. It's just...abortion. (Hah, very clever whoever thought that one up.)

5. mariothecellist said on December 24, 2009, 05:15:41 PM (-08:00)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mtdhlite
The Catholic Church thinks abortion is murder and murder is a sin. But technically the fetus isn't even alive until it leaves the womb and draws breath, so it's not even murder. It's just...abortion. (Hah, very clever whoever thought that one up.)
Yeah, but it WILL become a baby. I'm not so sure how to put it, but here's my stand. Abortion is wrong and it should not exist. Killing a fetus with a sickness is like killing an old person with a disease. They both could get better and live.

I'm done ranting, but I feel strongly about this (and yes, I am catholic, in case you were wondering

6. Sunny said on December 24, 2009, 07:49:07 PM (-08:00)

Keldeo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mariothecellist
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtdhlite
The Catholic Church thinks abortion is murder and murder is a sin. But technically the fetus isn't even alive until it leaves the womb and draws breath, so it's not even murder. It's just...abortion. (Hah, very clever whoever thought that one up.)
Yeah, but it WILL become a baby. I'm not so sure how to put it, but here's my stand. Abortion is wrong and it should not exist. Killing a fetus with a sickness is like killing an old person with a disease. They both could get better and live.

I'm done ranting, but I feel strongly about this (and yes, I am catholic, in case you were wondering
You raise a good point, but consider this. What if the old diseased person wants to die and finally be in peace? we can ask a diseased suffering person if they want to live on with said disease, or pull the plug, but a because a fetus hasn't exactly developed a mind yet how would we know what it wants? Alot of from birth disease are usually uncurable as well, meaning they have to live with it there whole life. In most cases I think abortion is wrong, but because the fetus isn't able to defend itself its up to the mother entirely. I can understand of the fetus is disease, but if the mother just doesn't want to deal with the baby, then don't get knocked up in the first place. Condoms are your friiiieeeends~!

7. SpaceMan++ said on December 24, 2009, 08:15:44 PM (-08:00)

Zoroark
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Let's list reasons of abortion and talk about them:

- Change of mind - Very wrong, you are violating your obligation to carry the baby.
- Gender of baby - This is very wrong. Gender should not be a reason to abort.
- Genetic diseases - This makes the baby die in pain in a short term. He/she will think it was unfair. However, he/she can still get happiness. Aborting because of genetic disease is 50% wrong, according to the reasonings.
- Defects - The baby will not be able to live. Is aborting it like killing it or let it die by itself?

Let's also talk about: Why is killing bad? Is killing OK if he/she does not have fear of death (for example: fetus in first few phases)?

Killing violates someone's right to live, and causes fear.
In abortion, the baby do not have fear, and if the baby borns, the baby will have fear of death, that is the condition for a abortion in my opinion. However, the right to live for the baby is questionable.

Thinking about abortion in consequences, there is no bad change to the world if it is aborted. Speaking of potentials, the baby may grow up to improve the world or to destroy the world.

8. Sableyed said on December 24, 2009, 09:17:33 PM (-08:00)

Regigigas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceMan++
Let's list reasons of abortion and talk about them:

- Change of mind - Very wrong, you are violating your obligation to carry the baby.
- Gender of baby - This is very wrong. Gender should not be a reason to abort.
- Genetic diseases - This makes the baby die in pain in a short term. He/she will think it was unfair. However, he/she can still get happiness. Aborting because of genetic disease is 50% wrong, according to the reasonings.
- Defects - The baby will not be able to live. Is aborting it like killing it or let it die by itself?
Heres a reason you may not have considered. Some people never wanted the baby in the first place. They never intended to have a baby and it happened accidently. Now the woman has to deal with 9 months of pregnancy and a painful birth for a thing she does not want. The child can easily ruin the parents life, forcing them to raise it and destroy all of their opportunities. And the child will not grow up in a good environment, with two parents who cannot raise it properly. And you want to force these people into this horrible situation.

9. Swordfyre said on December 24, 2009, 11:09:43 PM (-08:00)

Charizard
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Hey looky, I'm back.

Abortion should be allowed, no matter what, as long as it is before the fetus fully developed. Making a law against abortion would further prove how much the United States is a Christian country.

10. Magmaster12 said on December 25, 2009, 04:52:09 AM (-08:00)

Rayquaza
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Ya but some christians also think pokemon is evil.

11. Jaredvcxz said on December 25, 2009, 06:16:42 AM (-08:00)

Giratina
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mariothecellist
(and yes, I am catholic, in case you were wondering :)
Because my old post was deleted, I'll make a newer, nicer one.

Stop saying that. Not all catholics think the same.

12. Sunny said on December 25, 2009, 05:13:48 PM (-08:00)

Keldeo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sableyed
Heres a reason you may not have considered. Some people never wanted the baby in the first place. They never intended to have a baby and it happened accidently. Now the woman has to deal with 9 months of pregnancy and a painful birth for a thing she does not want. The child can easily ruin the parents life, forcing them to raise it and destroy all of their opportunities. And the child will not grow up in a good environment, with two parents who cannot raise it properly. And you want to force these people into this horrible situation.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunny
Condoms are your friiiieeeends~!

13. Jaredvcxz said on December 25, 2009, 05:15:20 PM (-08:00)

Giratina
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Or just don't have sex.
^^Even more effective than condoms!

14. Sunny said on December 25, 2009, 05:21:04 PM (-08:00)

Keldeo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaredvcxz
Or just don't have sex.
^^Even more effective than condoms!
Homosexuels get sex without babies. Only offside is you'll be in pain.

15. Jaredvcxz said on December 25, 2009, 05:31:16 PM (-08:00)

Giratina
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16. Sunny said on December 25, 2009, 05:33:18 PM (-08:00)

Keldeo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaredvcxz
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What? I don't even get a witty comeback? Son, I am disappoint. :l

17. Jaredvcxz said on December 25, 2009, 06:13:19 PM (-08:00)

Giratina
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Witty comeback: Not if they use lubricant.

18. emperorempoleon2 said on January 8, 2010, 04:54:10 PM (-08:00)

Haxorus
439 posts

There ya go.

Regarding abortion...

Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn.

19. Alakazamaster said on February 1, 2010, 06:05:07 PM (-08:00)

Kyurem
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaredvcxz View Post
Witty comeback: Not if they use lubricant.
OK MAKE A NEW THREAD OF THE JOYS OF LUBE.

Back on topic though, I believe that banning abortion should not be, as the government has even LESS right over a woman's child than the woman herself. If ANYone is to make the decision, it should be the parents. If abortion were to be outlawed, no important exceptions could be made, which could result in some unfavorable situations. While others may not believe abortion is right, it really is none of your business to judge others for what they do, as one can't know all the details from the outside. Its a sticky debate, this is.

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