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We just had some mild server corruption due to the server freezing and unexpectedly shutting down. Several chunks and inventories edited in the last hour or so have been reverted to their state prior to the crash. It primarily affected GreenMan, but Quad may have been affected as well. If you were playing in the last few hours, make sure nothing has been reverted.
Yes, it is still 1.4.2, and only Cat or KYA can update it.
In other news, the server has crashed again at around 8:46pm est Thanksgiving Day, and the map seems to have reverted to how it was before Wednesday. I had finished the auto-cobble shop before my day and a half hiatus, but went back on to find it had reverted. Be sure to check to see if anything you've built recently has also reverted.
EDIT: Looking through the logs, the server has crashed on November 1 [6:02pm], and the crash on the 19th was due to an "OutOfMemoryError", basically the server ran out of memory.
Gonna add a quick rule. When you build a house, please put a sign near your front door so we know it's your house. Otherwise someone may tear it down thinking it was only a temporary house for shelter during the night.
I'm mainly talking about a dirt house right behind mine.
3 – SpikyEaredPichu96, Cat333Pokémon, Twiggy|
Originally Posted by OP
• Do not destroy any building within the town, which is the spawn area with large walls around it. Building is allowed within certain areas of the town, but please confirm with a moderator before doing any large construction.
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The server has not been updated, so I can't mark my house with a sign until it is done so. If the server is still running Bukkit, I know a 1.4.5 beta build is ready to go at Bukkit.
2 – SpikyEaredPichu96, ThePokeMan
1 – SpikyEaredPichu96Well I won't know I had assumed that with a new beta out we were running on a non beta but heck what do I know then. If that's assumintion is wrong then so be it, it is what is it. Cat isn't really one to want to deal with Minecraft at the moment and he has finals coming up next week, this week is study week. So best chance to get him to update, if I know him as well as I do, is in 2-4 weeks.
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I have to agree that it's taking them much longer than usual to get a recommended build of 1.4.5 out. No idea why, but I assume it's due to how many changes 1.4.5 brought.
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1 – SpikyEaredPichu96Double post, I know, but this is somewhat relevant:
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Originally Posted by One of Bukkit's Admins
Beta builds are as stable as any RB has been in the past, just not API complete. However, since we have not used Beta builds as extensively as we have since 1.4.x there has been some confusion as to what this really means. While we do recommend developers update for Beta builds, it seems there has been some reluctance.
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Originally Posted by Same person
We would not promote a build to Beta if there were any major known concerns, and if there was something that did sneak by, we would fix it and promote a new build.
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1 – SpikyEaredPichu96Okay so I found a random deep hole, went down into it in the pitch black, at the bottom was clearly exposed diamond. I got ten diamonds out of that. Dug around it and there were like five more three blocks to the left. Later I decided to dig a random hole straight down and when I hit layer 5 bedrock, I started digging outwards. I dug into diamond one block over. WOOT. I'm like a diamond magnet!
1 – ShadeFor those who want to play on the server and don't want to wait for an official 1.4.5 build release [which probably won't come due to 1.4.6 and 1.5 around the corner], MultiMC is one option. It allows you to install Minecraft anywhere on your computer, also letting you make several instances of Minecraft that won't affect your main installation at all [this is good for those of use who use different mods for different situations, or to just have several versions of vanilla available]. It also has a downgrade feature. allowing you to downgrade 1.4.5 to 1.4.2 for example.
MultiMC
1 – Cat333PokémonWhat diffrence does it make if it's a spare server or not? Just out of courisity to see your point of view. I've gotten rolled back once but nothing beyond that, so not to bad here. Need to set up a railway and would like to do that but getting the resourses may be more of the problem but we will see on that.
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What diffrence does it make if it's a spare server or not? Just out of courisity to see your point of view. I've gotten rolled back once but nothing beyond that, so not to bad here. Need to set up a railway and would like to do that but getting the resourses may be more of the problem but we will see on that.
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It's not that easy, Twiggy. Providing the server is the easy part. (KYA got a free one from where he works specifically to test out how it handles a Minecraft server.) Administrating it is a whole different story.
I know some of you folks aren't happy that we're sticking with an older, stable version, but if we didn't, these kinds of rollbacks would happen a heck of a lot more, or we wouldn't have any sense of permissions. If you want to complain that we're not up-to-date, read this before posting.
3 – SpikyEaredPichu96, JeffTheKiller, TwiggyNew Plugin Safeguard Protocol
This has me very reluctant to update to the latest recommended build, as it would most likely break all our plugins. Basically if the plugin isn't seen as "safe", it won't run, which would mess things up like Lockette and, worst case, Multiverse.
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New Plugin Safeguard Protocol
This has me very reluctant to update to the latest recommended build, as it would most likely break all our plugins. Basically if the plugin isn't seen as "safe", it won't run, which would mess things up like Lockette and, worst case, Multiverse. |
3 – SpikyEaredPichu96, A'bom, Twiggy
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I'd have to say I'm on the fence with this one. It all boils down to if we're willing to sacrifice security for ease of upgrading.
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Just remember: A'bom is obsessed with Vanilla. ![]()
Anyway, I think Lockette is definitely the primary concern here, with Multiverse coming in second. All the alternatives to Lockette are lame and annoying. What's worse is once someone finds a way in, they could manage to take items slowly until the user finally discovers it. In any regards, they would have to move quite a few chests to a new hiding place. For someone like me or Shade, that could easily take an hour even with teleportation.
Oh, and don't forget that all new players would have to be watched over by an admin until they can be trusted. (Of course, inactive members can barely do anything on the server now because of the rule I put up.)
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Well, if you're that worried about people taking stuff out of your chests, you could try hiding them somewhere people won't suspect or you could hide your entire living space so nobody would know where you live, thus making it much harder to take things from you.
Personally, I think all of the frequent users of the server are a trustworthy bunch of people. I would feel secure if none of my chests had lockettes on them. |
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Just remember: A'bom is obsessed with Vanilla.
Oh, and don't forget that all new players would have to be watched over by an admin until they can be trusted. (Of course, inactive members can barely do anything on the server now because of the rule I put up.) |
), I'm not the guy running the server. As great as vanilla is, it lacks security. Since bedrock is unmovable and obsidian is no match for an efficiency V diamond pickaxe, you can only slow down someone bent on getting your stuff (or, more importantly, my stuff--I have better things to do than hunt down whoever took my stuff and make them pay ((WITH INTEREST)) ). As Cat stated, any new user would have to be watched constantly. So, either we stop letting in new users (as rare as they are), or we have the FBI investigate each newcomer. I don't see either of those as particularly feasible things. The only real option as I see it, unfortunately, is to have lockette as a bare minimum of security if we are going to let new players in without a prior solid trust of their integrity.
2 – Twiggy, Cat333PokémonI don't mind playing it on Vanilla, as long as there's things that keep gameplay interesting. While it's true that the x-ray exploit with glowstone could find most treasure hideouts, there are a few ways to get around it, like surrounding your treasure room with lava to make it look like a deep lava pool.
I wouldn't mind too much if we were forced to move to vanilla, though I would miss multiverse quite a bit. It lets us fine-tune MC the way we want it, like limiting PvP to certain worlds. I would also miss Old World a bit, and it would take quite a bit of fixing with the nethers, but not really anything really breaking.
If we were given a few real days to move our stuff before a change like this, it wouldn't hit as hard as suddenly changing it over [though still prefer to have the mods there for extra security, just in case].
I don't really see a need to move to a vanilla server, there are few issues and frankly I'm kinda tired if the server changing in one way or anouther because there is a slight problem. Particularly with the maps were we had a rapid change a while ago. It's really the users choice whether they upgrad MC or not, not that there aren't ways to get around such issues as Shade so politely pointed out before. Just my 2 cents some of it it's probably a little overdue.
I do have one more thing to say regarding this: If we move to Vanilla, we are not restarting the map unless it gets seriously corrupted. (Seriously, that alone made me and several others stop playing altogether until recently. I don't feel a reason to play if people just want a new map every three months.) If we get rid of the ability to access older maps whenever folks want a new map, consider my support gone.
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I do have one more thing to say regarding this: If we move to Vanilla, we are not restarting the map unless it gets seriously corrupted. (Seriously, that alone made me and several others stop playing altogether until recently. I don't feel a reason to play if people just want a new map every three months.) If we get rid of the ability to access older maps whenever folks want a new map, consider my support gone.
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2 – SpikyEaredPichu96, A'bomHm, looks like two plugins are no longer working: Death Control and Lockette. (Please don't steal from anyone's chests.)
1 – TwiggyI don't think we need Deathcontrol anyways, with the addition of gamrules. There is one rule called keepInventory that would work better.
Ad for stealing from chests, I believe that the requirements to be whitelisted is a good enough reason to trust that others won't steal from our chests.
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Ad for stealing from chests, I believe that the requirements to be whitelisted is a good enough reason to trust that others won't steal from our chests.
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I'm curious as to if anyone knows this. There is a gamerule called doMobGrief that disables block damage done by mobs. Does this also work with the Wither? As in would it keep the Wither from destroying or eating blocks?
1 – Twiggy
4 – Twiggy, SpikyEaredPichu96, Shade, Cat333PokémonIt is likely that we will see in the next few weeks the next big build for Minecraft. Jeb in a tweet told us how in early march it will be relases (in about two weeks)
Like to tweet:
https://twitter.com/jeb_/status/305478352272232449
Nope. Just put your Minecraft name on your forum profile and the automatic whitelisting system will take care of the rest. Also, you have to be active enough on here to play on the server. I think they agreed on a 0.5 posts per day average. I don't know if they updated to 1.5 yet, as I have removed the server from my server list.
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Nope. Just put your Minecraft name on your forum profile and the automatic whitelisting system will take care of the rest. Also, you have to be active enough on here to play on the server. I think they agreed on a 0.5 posts per day average. I don't know if they updated to 1.5 yet, as I have removed the server from my server list.
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I have a bit of a problem. I've had my MC ID in my profile for a while now, and I still haven't been whitelisted by the server as of yet (my name shows up as [Blocked]TPM_23). Is there a way someone could manually whitelist me, or am I not qualified for server access, or... I just need some clarification on this issue, thanks in advance.
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I have a bit of a problem. I've had my MC ID in my profile for a while now, and I still haven't been whitelisted by the server as of yet (my name shows up as [Blocked]TPM_23). Is there a way someone could manually whitelist me, or am I not qualified for server access, or... I just need some clarification on this issue, thanks in advance.
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Bukit is always going to be running behind so I understand that. I also unerstand people want the latest and greatest and play with the new stuff. I myself haven't updated till the server does so I can get on when I want with no extra hassle.
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Also if its pointless to bring up because Cat won't use it then why do? Not trying to be mean or anything really just wondering.
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Something always breaks, and somebody always whines. Minecraft is a fleeting fancy for me, not a game I dedicate hours to every week. Using stable releases minimizes the whine about things breaking. I don't trust beta releases in a lot of things. (Just imagine if Microsoft allowed folks to download their beta patches.
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Considering how broken I've seen both Minecraft and Craftbukkit in the past, there's no telling what will break in either in the future. The resources KYA has dedicated to this game are insane when you think about it, and we're just a small server with no more than about four people at once. The game needs far more resources than it should. Minecraft's coding sucks. Why else would there be huge development in OptiFine HD?
No, I am not using any non-stable releases.
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Because Bukkit as stated that their Beta builds have become more stable because they are spending more time on developing them, which is why they are being released much less frequently now.
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To be honest (nothing against you, Cat, but...), I'm a little tired of how stubborn Cat is when it comes to this and not even bothering to at least see how well the Beta build holds up or not. If he were to at least test the Beta build and it fails horribly, I won't complain about him not using it ever again, but not trying it because of how the past and rather hastily built Beta builds were is somewhat closed-minded.
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2 – Cat333Pokémon, Twiggy| Minecraft's coding sucks. Why else would there be huge development in OptiFine HD? |
| Here's a bit of advice from someone who knows Cat pretty well (go figure), complaining about how he doesn't do something doesn't make him want to go and do it for you if anything it causes more problems then it helps. Secondly as he said it's a fleeting fancy and not having to deal with breaking makes it all the better. |
Technically the only mods keeping us from using vanilla is Lockett, Death Control and Multiverse. Death Control can easily be replaced by a gamerule, but not the other two.
2 – GreenMan, Cat333Pokémon|
You're comparing coding development to cooks, but if you want a serious answer, if I'm told the restaurant is under new management or it has hired new cooks, it's possible I might.
Only makes me want to say "Forget Bukkit, let's go vanilla" even more. Only reason why we are using Bukkit is to keep the server mods in place, right? The only reason we're using those mods is to keep people from whining about missing/stolen items, isn't it? Is it worth having to wait for Bukkit to be so delayed in development just to keep a few security mods in place? |
1 – Cat333PokémonI think it would be a very good idea to list the current server version in both the title of the thread and in the first post.
1 – SpikyEaredPichu96As long as daily backups are still being made for all running worlds for at least a week, we have a safety net good enough in case of unexpected loss of content, whether by accident or vandalism. Right?
If the server operates on a whitelist, I doubt you'll need very tight controls. Pretty much the only stuff you need are quality-of-life tweaks for multiplayer.
1 – SpikyEaredPichu96Personally I don't want it to because of the stuff I created on the server and I like the brief playing with others (though I seem to get online when no one else is on). As for the hours of progress I've had it recently delete 3 days worth of building so I can't argue with that. Though I rather not have it gone, but if it has to go it has to go.
2 – SpikyEaredPichu96, Cat333PokémonAs of now, there is a limit of 100 posts per page.