This topic is one which traditionally requires very little to collapse into a conflagration. I will lock it if I smell any smoke.

And more precisely, this...

Oh boy oh boy, you got guts for makin this thread. .-.

Anywho, I don't believe in any specific religion but I do believe in a higher power. Lifeforms, even from the beginning of the evolution chain were made with incredibly complex systems to give them life. Circulatory system, bone structure, nerves, the brain. It couldn't have all happened by coincidence. Scientist have proven that humans share incredibly similar genes with the previous life forms on the evolutionary scale, but that does not set in stone that we were from them. A similarity in the gene pool is not enough to convince me. It can still be true, but until it is the only viable option, and they have definite proof im sticking with believing in a higher power. Religion and science co-exist imo. Meaning both can be right. One does not disprove the other completely meaning they may both be correct.


Also, im not so sure this belongs in the debate section if the purpose is to state your religion, but not debate about it. How the universe was made, and what happens after your die... This is an incredibility sensitive subject, that can set someone off quite easily. Please everyone who post here be sensitive to other posters. Also, like green said, don't just state opinionated things without reasoning. Facts should be provided to support what you believe in.

I know I will be hated throughout my life in this forums after saying my religion, bit I will have the courage needed to post.


From the first image, I am considered to be a Muslim, but from the other side, I have totally different religion. I am not sure if all of you here are aware of Sunni and Shiite, thus if you don't know them, click the links provided.

Although these two sects are considered to be part of Islam, yet they are 80% different, and I personally choose them as totally different religions. Just to clarify, I am a Shiite, and to be more precise, I am a Twelver (click the link before to see what I mean). I am really hated by those who are called Sunni, and some of them say that killing me (Shiite) is a must.

I think those are what I can say for now, but I don't mind if anyone has a question for me and wants to ask me.

I'm agnostic. I believe that there IS some sort of "God", but it doesn't do much, if anything. Considering the masses of information figured out by science, I think that this is the most likely.

There is no god only Arceus.

But really the whole Adem and Eve thing never made a lot of sence to me there kids went west of the garden of eden and found a woman but were did she come from?

I think earth WAS suppose to be heaven, but because they screwed up and couldn't be trusted on there own, life is like a test, and earth is the inbetween of heaven and hell. It doesn't really say that in any religious books or nothing its just a theory to make religion a lil more since of how Adam and Eve were civil. Like a higher power is judging us on are actions in this life or something. =w=

I'm agnostic, a lazy man's atheist as some would call it. I really try not to think about religion too much, since in past experiences if you try to discuss religion with someone who has varied beliefs than you, it usually does not go too well.

I actually find it a tad shocking that less than 10% of American's are agnostic, but I suppose it makes sense.

It doesn't for me it should be a lot more then that, I know a lot of people that don't go to church.

My sisters agnostic~! =p
And there are a TON of people that have a religion but don't go to church. Me for one. Although I don't believe in any particular religion just a higher power.

Well even though I don't beileve in god I still celebrate Christmas, Easter and also Hannakah because my mom would celebrate it.

Also why use the word athiest it means you warship the devil to most people?

I'm a Lutheran Christian. I was raised that way, and it makes sense to me more than other religions. BUT! I honestly think that whatever religion you believe in will be the one you believe that is true, and no others. So basically, I as a Lutheran Christian think that that religion makes the most sense to me, but a Buddhist might think that Buddhism makes sense more than Christianity, etc.

I went to a Lutheran school until 8th grade and I go to a public high school now, I also go to church every Sunday. I believe that God created the world in 6 days and that evolution is false, and all that stuff. I guess you never know if you picked the right religion until you die, eh?

Jesus pwnz! :3

I thought athiest just means you don't believe in any religion or higher power. o3o

I'm mostly atheist, with a subset of beliefs that change every few months. Right now I believe that:

1. When you die you are either reborn, become an angel, or go onto the afterlife depending on certain criteria.
2. God is not a specific being, but rather the combination of all life and energy: he is the big bang, he is evolution, he is science.
3. Orange is not a color. Orange is red.

I am raised on Christian morals, but have never gone to church (nor have my parents for 15 or so years), and no one in my family follows creationism. I largely quit on Christianity when the ideas of Hell, an all loving God, and my older brother dead at day 5 all merged into one.

Now, for the debate!

@Alakazam - Church has nothing to do with being religious. Nothing. I very fundamentally believe that people who don't go to church may be much more religious than others, and people who believe church is needed for heaven are looking for a free pass. A church just tells you what to believe, none of it coming from God. You have to read and interpret the Bible of your own mind to hear God. Otherwise you are just hearing a man in a robe.

Yeah, atheist is just that you beileve there is no god.. You'd be a satanist if you believed in that dewd.

@FW: Church for me is a chance to have fellowship with my fellow Lutherans, but it is not exactly needed. I slightly agree on your point.

I... just don't see a point in religion altogether. It's just as likely for real Pokémon to be created in a lab accident as it's likely for there to be an omnipotent power.

inb4 flame war

I wonder if anybody's religion is Pokemonism.. :u

Here is the defintion
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist

Mainly it's a person that deneys existance of a supreme being.

Its true that a big bang has an incredibly small chance of happening however, if theres a chance, it will eventually happen as long as time goes on and before everything was created there was probably ALOT of time wear it was just a bunch o nothing floating around.

Big bang destroyed everything that isn't pure energy then due to cooling formed stars right? How'd the planets form after everything was destroyed? o3o And is it fact or just theory that it happened, like no chances of any other possibility or a possibility that it did not in that exact way?

There is enough cosmology and little enough dogmatism going on here that I am willing to join the discussion.

No accurate assessment of the Big Bang's probability can be made because little is known about extra-dimensional space short of that it is possible. Subscribers to M theory would claim that the Big Bang is extremely likely, since Big Bang-like events are occurring constantly due to membrane collisions. Those who believe in only the existence of only the four detectable dimensions could argue a number of things. From the point of view of a sapient organism, ignoring the possibility of something existing outside of the dimensions that we are familiar with, the Big Bang's probability of occurring could be any value: we would only be able to consider such a question if it did occur, so it could have been almost certain or unlikely. And there's always the pesky question of where the material of the Big Bang came from.

One could argue that the events following the Big Bang were random, deterministic, or deterministic and guided. The assertion that true 'randomness' exists is supported by the inherent randomness of quantum mechanics, wherein everything cannot be simultaneously known and only calculations of probability can be made. What this would mean is that no being can truly anticipate what will happen in the universe, even with as much information as is possible to have being provided to them (i.e. omniscience). Determinism holds that one can calculate the entire fate of the universe by possessing absolute knowledge of any given point in time; that is, what will happen is and has always been inevitable as a result of the universe's starting state, and that everything can be absolutely calculated. This is the category that I mostly fall into. The argument is that quantum mechanics is not truly chaotic, but governed by a seemingly random series of laws that we do not currently comprehend.

A deterministic and guided universe is one in which an omniscient being created a deterministic universe, selecting its starting state such that whatever outcome it desired would eventually come to be. This philosophy holds with schools of predestination such as Calvinism. Sometimes it is called the "watchmaker theory:" the idea is that an omnipotent and omniscient 'watchmaker' 'wound up' the universe at the beginning of time such that every event which the watchmaker wished to occur would in time happen. Proponents of the watchmaker theory would argue that a deity has no reason to interfere in today's world, since all events were predetermined. Each interpretation has some problems. The watchmaker theory devalues divine intervention and prayer, while the random model calls the concept of omniscience into doubt. Really, I think that it's to each his or her own.

Honestly luck or randomness is not understandable anyways. We can just guess the probability of something happening. The watch maker theory says that everything is scheduled in a way, right? In a away that sounds a little like religion. Most religions believe that everything happens for a reason, or is inevitable or planned. Also my theory that earth is the inbetween of heaven and hell and this life is a test too see wear you go in your next life somewhat connects with that. Think of the high power as a teacher and life on earth as a test. During a test you cannot ask for help, or cheat. The teacher is also not aloud to interfere.

Life is a test for the next life me thinks. Just theory but I like that watchmaker theory. Its like religion and science co-existing. =w= Humanity has a long way to go though until everything is proven. Far past my lifetime. Right now, everything remains a theory.

Also dang green your smart dood. O_o

I am a Southern Baptist. My father was a Pastor (until he died in 2008, but that's an entirely different story), and I was raised this way. I believe it, but I don't look down on others who don't. I believe in natural selection (when something develops traits to help it survive, and only the strongest survive), but I don't believe in evolution. It just doesn't make sense to me. I don't look down on those who don't believe what I do. My friends are a Christian, an Agnostic Atheist, and two Baha'i. I don't try to convert others, because I see it as their views, and who am I to change that? I don't believe you need to go to church. It's just a way to fellowship with others of you faith. I also believe that If you read all of that, you are awesome!

I'm Jewish, but I honestly don't care for religion. I believe in natural selection, evolution and all that.

And on the side I believe in Arceus.

When it all comes down to it...

Religon tries to explain things that history and science do. And history and science tend to do it better. In my opinion, God is as of now the only explanation for the reasons why the gears are running- we have a scientific explanation for why the heart beats, how cells and living organisms exist, the elements, stars, planets, etc., but until there is some possible way to scientifically prove "Okay, we know how it works, we know why it does, but who or what started all of this, back from the very birth of the universe" then there must be some sort of higher power.

Of course, then there has to be a scientific explanation for GOD, once we find out that God exists.

As for my stance on religion... I was raised Christian, my father is Muslim, and I really just don't like religion just because debates and disagreements lead to prejudice which snowballs into war. Sounds scary, but it's somewhat true.

piexing's opinion on religion: I don't care. Actually, I'm a Pastafarian.
Also, GL sure is one smart dood. Whatever he said, I agree. :3

I don't know the reason behind it, but I just find the evolution theory wrong or misplaced. If we were really monkeys before, then why did we evolve in the first place, and how did our mind develop? It isn't an easy thing to develop intelligent brains, right? Also, if evolution existed, then why aren't we evolving now? Seriously, we should have got wings by now or so. I am sure that humans in the past weren't as smart as we are today, but I am sure that even in the past, humans were the most intelligent creatures on Earth. However, I still believe in Big Bang, and in fact, my religion supports this theory. As SK mentioned before, I believe that God created the universe in 6 days. However, in my holy book, it is mentioned that one day for God is equal to 50,000 years for us. I guess this supports that the theory which says that the Big Bang took a lot of time. We also have in the book that the universe is still expanding and isn't stopping from growth, and FW mentioned that planets are still getting born and dead as well. The evolution theory is still a theory, and I don't think it will become a fact one day, especially with all the Abrahamic religions against it.

Evolution has been seeing happening every day in some form or another. We have advanced fossil records as to the evolution of humans. However, the "Humans were Monkeys" theory is actually a little biased: its oversimplified. The process took between 4 and 8 million years for Gorillas and Chimpanzees to split off into even the earliest humans: and they weren't anything like us. Heck, even the Homo Neanderthal ain't a whole lot like modern Homo Sapiens. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Other science theories, like the Big Bang, really are anyone's guess: they make sense, but aren't so obvious.

The sun engulfs us when it turns in to a red giant or whatever, right? Apocalypse discussion is fun. :3

In theory space truly should be infinite and should keep expanding, but, well, infinite really only exists in theory. In all practicality, there has to be something more to that story.

I think the apocalypse would be something Majora-esque, only on a much larger scale. But that's just me.

The main reasons I don't believe in science:

I don't believe in the big bang because the big bang theory states nothing exploded into everything. How does nothing blow up, and since when did explosions create things?

I don't believe in the theory of evolution because I don't ee how there are still monkeys. Even with what Freeze said about only one group becoming humanss and the other being untouched, I don't see how humans are all opver the world and have been for thousands of years.

Another reason I don't believe in evolution is because it says we came from monkeys ages ago, but really humans are more similar, genetically wise, to rats.

Here's something I would liek to share.

Okay here is what I think

I think god is some kind of force with no physical body that does what it wants through science BUT seeing as it is something all powerfull we can never truly get what it does or why.

Also it doesnt matter if people kill each other over god people are just prone to war god is just an easy excuse to use.

I didnt read all the the posts on this thread but I read most of it.

Here is what I think:

There is no such thing as a "god". Science has yet to prove anything in the bible has existed, and science has tons of evidence stating the scientific evolution of space and everything in it.
On top of that, what about other religions? The Christan church was not the first church established.
In fact, Christianity was formed after the Jewish religion.
And, if I remember this correctly, God (the father of Jesus) created the universe. But how could "God" form the universe if people believed in him after the Jewish religion was formed?
And also, what's with the "Sins"? Jesus supposedly died for our sins, but what exactly are our sins? And to me, a sin could be considered anything. Some people could consider happiness as a sin!
And plus, what happened with all the people before the birth of Christ? Did they all just go to hell for having "sin"?

I say, all the religions are just stories. No facts, no evidence, nothing.

Sometimes I think we're all just sockpuppets, put here for simply the entertainment of a larger being in another universe.
Or, you know, in a video game. That's cooler.

I actually pretend I'm in a video game, repeated moving and everything.

@ Quad
It's because we were born sinners due to what Adam & Eve did.
And you don't have to pray every day, Christianity =/= Islam.

Man, you got guts for makin' this thread.
And I guess I have some left for posting here...Here goes nothing...
I'm Muslim(Bask in my glory! lolfail) And....I dunno why, my parents are, so, yeah.
That's why.

Star you are pulling out of context. There are times in the bible that certain people went overboard and deserved to be punished. But no, do you see Christians going around and killing non believers today? God wants us to convert them, not to kill them. And we surely do not destroy their places of worship.

Well, there are actually some Old Testament laws called civil, ceremonial, and moral. The civil ones are the only ones that we still follow today. The ceremonial laws (killing animals as a sacrifice, etc.) and the moral laws of the Old Testament are not followed today, which is where you draw the line, I suppose.

For example, the Exodus 22:20 passage you referred to was a ceremonial law since it deals with sacrifice. The whole chapter of Exodus 22 is in the OT and deals with laws that do not apply in the present.

I lost as well.

I dunno exactly how to separate them, but I believe the Ten Commandments were both civil and moral. Ask my pastor. o.O

Yeah I've been aware of the difference between Sunni and Shiite for a while and I agree that its useless. Its like how the Catholics broke into Christians and Protestants. They're still having terrorism in Ireland over that.

I have my own Religion. I believe in all gods because It's fun but I don't go to Church, like, at all. Well, I used to when I was four but My parents decided to have Mercy on my soul and we stopped going. I also believe that Satan isn't evil, he's just in charge of dealing with the late *******s of the world. I also believe in Heaven and such, but all of this I'm not sure about. I guess you could call me Agnostic.

Although the vast majority of people are still a religion, I am seeing more and more people become agnostic, perhaps then this is the ultimatum of evolution?

I like and I dislike atheists. For one, I like atheists if they let everyone believe what they want to believe. I DISLIKE atheists because a whole dumpload of them are just stupid 16-year-old retards that live in their parents' basement, who always have to go on f***ing YouTube and troll anyone with religious beliefs. THAT IS THE ONE SPECIFIC REASON I HATE ATHEISTS AND THEIR STUPID WTF IS THE WORD I FORGOT but still.

I'm a Christian, and I really don't mind what other people think, but seriously, I'd appreciate it if you didn't mind what MY beliefs are, selfish, ignorant idiots.

^This except with more cursing :3


There was one time an atheist who said I believed in a magical fairy man in the sky and then wondered why I ranted on her.

This may not be mature enough for a BE MATURE thread but I also believe in Haruhism and Norrisism.

Actually, religion both comforts and annoys me.

I have always felt that I have been brainwashed though. I was raised as a Christian, (even going to a Christian school at one point in time) and my whole family pretty much are strong Christians. But there comes a point when you actually need to... Not be a slave to it. I hate it when Christians keep constantly talking about God. When a good thing happens, it's not your own talent, it's because God was apparently watching over you. If they don't know an answer, ask God. Every time I talk to my parents about something, they mention God. That's really annoying. I never go to them anymore because of it.

But it's also kind of comforting believing that there is something out there watching over you and planning your future. Someone you can talk to, and eventually meet after your demise. But it all seems confusing after that. Very hypocritical. But I think that's due to the fact that everyone has a different opinion and view of heaven. Even God himself is different to everyone.

The way I look at it, religion is not a solid thing. It's everyone's sense of morals. Athiests are just a little more literal about it, I'd think. They don't personify anything... Like making a God or Heaven or Satan or Hell. To most people, God is Good and Satan is Evil. After death, people want to be with their loved ones again. It keeps us from giving up and seeing nothing.

I'm also tired of people trying to use God as a threat. I thought he was a good guy? The guy who cared about you? Not the guy who took his beloved children and damn them all to hell for not believing in him when he himself never took the time to come to his children and help them understand that he really was there. Some people can not see his light as easily as others.


I am not agnostic and I am not athiest. But I am not necessarily Christian either. I believe in my own personal form of God. If anyone has questions about what I said, just ask. I may have rambled a bit too much, but I can clarify myself if I said anything odd sounding.

I basically believe in my own form of god too. Like, I don't believe that hell is forever. That completely contradicts the teachings that god has eternal love and forgiveness.