Well well wellll~!

The stats of all the newly revealed B/W pokemon have finally been released so I think its about time to start discussing which new pokemon will kick ass, and which will be...suckish. :V

All the stats of each pokemons final forms can be seen here http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml

All the new abilities gained from the dream world can be seen here http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/dr...bilities.shtml
Lets get started. =w=

Shes special bulky with a pretty good hp stat and normal/psychic typing. She has a high 128 special attack stat and is as quick as lucario WITH the ability serene grace. I'd have to see here moveset, but that seems pretty broken already. Easily top of OU tier.



140 attack, 95 speed. OH DEAR GOD. ;~; I can see this thinking wrecking entire teams. Fire typing my hinder it a little though. Lets hope he doesn't get something like sword dance or agility. Otherwise hes OU. A choice scarf would probably go well with this guy.




EEEE~! My cute lil dragon kicks ass~! <3
147 attack and 97 speed with pure dragon typing. Paper thin defense stats though. I'd assume he'll get dragon dance as a move, which would just put him over the top as a sweeper, but I think his poor defense stats will keep him out of UBER. I hope. ;~;

#563 Desukan

Ok this thing is destined to be in OU. 58/145/105 are AMAZING defenses, outclassing Rotom-A in both defenses, and Dusknoir in terms of Defense. It also has more HP. Unless it doesn't get any good moves, this will be the premier spinblocker.

#567 Aakeosu

140 Attack and 110 Speed good enough for you? I hope so. "Weak-Kneed" sounds like its going to completely screw over this Pokemon, like half its Speed or something, but it still has that sexy Attack stat...

#526 Gigaiasu

Base 135 Attack and 130 Defense is incredible, and best of all, it has 25 Speed. Slower than a Snowlax! Ladies and gentleman, I think we have a Trick Room abuser in the makings...

#609 Shanderaa

Hey look a Fire-type that's weak to Stealth Rock. Better prepare to be sent to NU buddy... ohwait hang on a second it has Flash Fire and base 145 Sp.Atk and a decent 80 Speed. Choice Scarf abuse much? Plus its a Ghost, so more likely than not it will be able to Trick the Scarf on to something like Blissey. Its like the Heatran of Gen. 5!

#594 Mamanbou

165 HP stat say what? With Hydration as well, this thing can take a nap in the rain and wake up the very next turn. 80/45 are horrific defensive stats, but you don't need to take many hits when you can restore all your health at once...

AND NOW THE KING OF THEM ALL

#589 Shubarugo

135 Attack. 70/105/105 defenses. Bug/Steel typing. Ladies and gentleman, this thing will go on rampages. It won't perform much like Scizor, but if this thing launches off an X-Scissor it will HURT. And trying to take it down without Fire will be extremely tricky. 20 Speed also lets it have fun in Trick Room. Something tells me that move may be a bit more popular this Generation.

Well what about these?

#500 Enbuoo he is just TOO slow he's easily getting outclassed by Infernape with its low deffenses.
WHEN WILL THIS TREND END!?


#530 Doryuuzu - It's a great pokemon with a good type coverage and great attack and modertly good speed.


#573 Chirachiino : If it gets a good moveset with technician I think it might replace Ambipom.


#635 Savando: It's a special attacker and pysdo, if it ends up with a move set like dragonite it could eventually turn uber.

I agree with most of the stuff which you guys posted. In spite of that, I'm going to repeat some Pokémon to elaborate on them furthermore:



Most probably OU (unless its movepool hinders it). Defenses are acceptable (75/63/63), Attack is pretty decent (100), and Speed is amazing (116). Add Motor Drive to that, and you get a REALLY fast, physical sweeper.


Talk about Snorlax or Rhyperior being slow! This thing has less HP, Attack and Speed, but has better Special Defense than the latter. I think that under Trick Room, it will be a beast. But outside it, I highly doubt it will be placed in a tier other than NU or even UU if it's lucky.


One of my favourites. Favourable typing, awesome abilities and generally good stats (especially that attack) makes it an ideal choice for an OU Sandstorm team.


This thing looks a bit ugly, but it has got Swift Swim. Stat-wise, it is essentially a weaker Kingdra. Plus, its typing is not exactly favourable; while it provides a valuable immunity to Electric attacks, Grass Knot is pretty common in the metagame. I'm not sure what its tier will be; it seems a bit weak for OU, but also a little strong for UU (or is it not?).


75/75/75 defenses aren't so bad, and 125 Attack + 85 Speed is certainly not something minor. Since Psychic is not a good type offensively, and since Flying is not very prominent, I think it fits well in the OU tier.

(That's it for now. I'll be posting more analysis later on, though.)

Oh, and by the way, so far we don't know if Stealth Rock is still in the 5th generation. Apparently, it got replaced by a new TM called Bug Resistance, and since we only have an incomplete, preliminary list of TMs now, there's a possibility that it got re-numbered. We still don't know if some Pokémon are able to learn it by leveling up, etc, and we're unaware if we can transfer Pokémon who know Stealth Rock from a 4th generation game. So for now, Stealth Rock's future remains a mystery. What do you think of that? How will the metagame change if Stealth Rock was removed?

To be honest, I think that Ice, Fire and Flying Pokémon are pretty broken to Stealth Rock. It's a powerful entry hazard and all, but I wish there was more limitations to it (like weakening its effect a bit). I know that if it goes, those annoying Sashes will become twice as much popular, but the major changes which SR did to many Pokémon seem a little too far for me.

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Originally Posted by The Spirit of Time I am not really sure if this is our new Machamp. It overpowers Machamp in all stats except for Special Defense (-20 points) and Speed (-10 points). It has got a chance I believe. I think it only has one weakness to Flying, which is not a prominent type in OU anyways. So the possibility is pretty good. It is very good in both Special Defense and Special Attack. Possibly an OU, but it is incredibly weak to rock. Read what I wrote about Stealth Rock above.

Spirit, could you maybe say why you think some Pokemon will be where they are? I disagree with you on some points and you don't say a whole lot...

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Originally Posted by The Spirit of Time Spoiler Alert:     This thing is going to either UU or NU. UU most probably. It can be dangerous in Trick Room though. I just have some hope for this thing to survive in OU. I see this thing more as BL or even UU. It is good at most things, but it doesn't really excel at much. Its just kinda outclassed by other Water-types like Gyarados for physical attacking, Empoleon for Special attacker and wall, Swampert for physical walling, and Vaporeon for giant sponge. OU for sure. Its defenses are good. Its speed is also good, and it has 100 base attack. With its ability, it can be really monstrous in Sandstorm teams. The three monkeys seem to have good speed and attack. I still can't decide yet. A BL most probably, if not UU. Its ability and stats will make it a good OU Pokémon. Its kinda like Electivire, only with lower stats everywhere except for speed, and presumably it will have a smaller movepool (I don't see this thing with Earthquake, Cross Chop, Flamethrower, or Ice Punch.) Plus, Electivire isn't even that great in the first place. I see this fellow in UU. UU/NU, but dangerous in Trick Room. OU, and will be used in every Sand Storm team. I am not really sure if this is our new Machamp. With its ability, it is going to be one of the very best revenge killers in OU. Again, OU. It has got a chance I believe. I also believe it! 115 Sp.Def and the chance of getting Bulk Up? Not bad at all. 90 Attack is doable after some Bulk Up boosts. Our new Dusknoir. OU, if not Uber. Uber may be a bit much for a Pokemon with terrible defenses and bad typing that prevents it from coming in on much anything (no one uses Psychic or Zen Headbutt very often.) It could be OU, but the fact that it can't take a hit at all is troubling. This thing is a must when it comes to Trick Room. Outside it, it is NU. It has very good defenses, but but typing. I don't know. It is definitely OU. OU I believe, especially with a Choice Scarf to boost its speed a bit. I just hope this doesn't become an Uber. This one should be a BL. Both of them are BL. It is going to be OU. It is very good in both Special Defense and Special Attack. Possibly an OU, but it is incredibly weak to rock. Probably not going to crack OU. Bug/Fire means many Dragons come in on you, and Stealth Rock is a pain. Kinda like with Moltres in UU...

Wowowow.
Zoroark is far from uber.

His stats are just like lucarios, only slightly quicker with better offensive abilities. His typing is also kinda crappy. I see him being used as an anti-lead though because of his ability.

Speaking of lucario, in the new generation he gets the ability earthquake spiral and justice heart.

No clue what justice heart does but earthquake spiral gives you an attack boost for each pokemon you KO. This along with his steel typing to resist sandstorm and stealth rock insures him a spot in OU again next gen~! <3

Also....
Hihidaruma has a second form. O_O The sprite hasn't been revealed for it, but its fire/psychic type with the ability "Daruma mode." It gets slower with 55 speed, but over 100 in each of its base stats. Also instead of 140 base attack it now has 140 base special attack.

Double post derp
Link to the new abilities gained from dream world have been added to the first post.

With that said
BLAZIKEN GETS SPEED BOOST
BLAZIKEN GETS SPEED BOOST
BLAZIKEN GETS SPEED BOOST
EEE~!
Infernape was just 1up'd

New abilities~! Time to say thing!

Venusaur with Chlorophyll: I'm just going to say this now. Torrent, Blaze, and Overgrow suck for the most part. Now that that is out of the way I can talk about Venusaur. ^_^

Chlorophyll is... wow. Anyone who has played UU knows that Venusaur + Arcanine is a dynamic duo, and with the two together in the sun they can spread some hell. Maybe even get thrown into BL.

Clefable with Unaware: Dear god this is going to be hell. In one turn, Clefable's Calm Mind will get +2 Sp.Atk and +2 Sp.Def. Sure this is the only usable stat-raising move the pixie gets, but it makes it an instant tank that can rip teams apart (maybe).

Ninetales with Drought: Is it just me, or does Gen 5. circle around weather alot? Ninetales is the only Pokemon besides Groudon to summon the sun, meaning that it will be used a lot, I predict. It can't do much on its own, but getting unlimited sun is nice.

Golduck with Swift Swim: Golduck should make a decent UU Siwft Swimmer. 82 Attack and 95 Sp.Atk is really not terrible for UU Pokemon, and it has moves like Cross Chop, Waterfall, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt, Surf, and Ice Beam to mix and match as needed.

Alakazam with Magic Guard: How did you not expect me to comment on this? Magic Guard is a great ability, and is exactly what the doctor called for Alakazam. Hell, Alakazam may even be able to run a Focus Sash outside of the lead position since it doesn't fear weather or entry hazard. I don't know how it will be used, but its a pretty nice ability to get.

Jynx with Dry Skin: Fairly minor, but its nice. Water immunities kick ass, and it makes switching in on Water-types a far easier task who will struggle to do damage with Ice Beam, a common move bulky waters run with their now useless Surf.

Vaporeon with Hydration: This will be fun on a Rain Team. It can rest in the rain and be brought to full HP, then wake up right then! Wish may still be better, though, to help the team.

Flareon with Guts: *grins from ear to ear* Looks like the worst Eeveelution ever got a new toy to play with. Its physical moves may be limited, mind you, but now they'll pack a bit more punch. NU may still be its fate, but its nice that Game Freak is actually trying.

Typhlosion with Flash Fire: Can you say UU? Picture Typhlosion coming in on a Fire Blast under Sunny Day, and launching off a full HP Eruption... this will be fun.

Politoed with Drizzle: The only Pokemon that can summon rain... looks like this thing may find some more usage.

Quagsire with Unaware: This thing can use Curse, Amnesia, and Recover you know... yeah, just throwing that out there...

Entei/Suicune/Raikou with Flash Fire/Water Absorb/Volt Absorb: This means more usage for all of them. Finally that weird Pressure fetish is gone...

Blaziken with Speed Boost: Infernape, you have some competition. Blaziken will now be as fast as you, so look out.

Armaldo with Swift Swim: Another cool Swift Swimmer to join Kabutops and Omastar. with access to Swords Dance, you had better look out.

Milotic with Cute Charm: Milotic just become MORE annoying! People will not like having to use physical moves against a Pokemon that could easily incapacitate you.

Staraptor with Reckless: Can you say OU? This thing can now fire off Double-Edges and Brave Birds without a care in the world.

Garchomp with Rough Skin: Aw great, Garchomp got even BETTER. This thing could easily stay placed in Ubers, but who knows?

AND NOW THE BEST OF THEM ALL

Gliscor with Poison Heal: Breloom was bad enough, and now he have a very physically bulky that is restoring tons of health every turn... I hope that Politoed and a Swift Swimmer will destroy this thing quickly...

Seaking just got... Lightningrod? This way, in case they select the wrong pokemon, it will still go to you.

And... the first pure flying type- Torunerosu is awesome. He has Amazing attacking stats, and really good speed, he could easily be a mix'd sweeper, or something.

Also I saw several pokemon with unburden, namely hitmonlee... Imagine it coming in, flinging either light ball, or substituting down, and then sweeping? It could be epic.

Sharpedo gets speed boost too... This could get interesting with the new speed boosters...

The other thing I'm scared about is weavile's not yet found out ability...

Hey kazzy.
Unaware doesn't boost stats double, it ignores all stat changes completely. :< Simple is the one that boost em.

Other then that, AWWWW YEA POLITOED~! So glad hes useful now. I really do think those guys are cute. :> Oh also lickilcky got cloud 9 which stops all weather completely. With the new weather based teams that are sure to show up, i'll find alot more use for my licki other then countering and exploding~! <3

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Originally Posted by Serenade The other thing I'm scared about is weavile's not yet found out ability...

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Originally Posted by Serenade Seaking just got... Lightningrod? This way, in case they select the wrong pokemon, it will still go to you.

I don't follow competitive play, but I'm glad you all think Hihidaruma's going to OU.

Both the Daruma are quite good, and support their role effectively. What I am shocked about is Garchomp. Seriously, Rough Skin is too much for him. It will be too dangerous to get any physical contact from this guy, so he will be doomed to Ubers for sure. I also said that Zoroark would be Uber for the fact of its ability. It will be annoying and confusing as well. If not, then it is a very good sweeper as well. It might not have the best typing, but both its Attack and Special Attack, along with Speed are excellent for both Anti-Lead and MixSeeper. I am also glad with the new Pokémon that have Flash Fire, yet Heatran is still better than them, so I doubt that they will get a very significant increase of usage.

Time to analyze some of my favourite alternate abilities over here:

Poliwrath with Swift Swim: There is a good chance that this guy will become UU, since his typing provides it with valuable resistances against Dark, Rock, Ice, and Fire attacks. These are very common in the UU metagame. Poliwrath is essentially a bulkier, slightly weaker and slower version of Qwilfish. Swift Swim helps it to double its Speed in the rain, and with a wide movepool which includes Bulk Up, Encore and Belly Drum, this guy is sure to cause a lot of trouble.

Tentacruel with Rain Dish: Oh boy! Tentacruel is naturally bulky and has an array of valuable support moves for any team. However, with Rain Dish in its arsenal, Tentacruel becomes even tougher to take down in the rain.

Lanturn with Water Absorb: Both Volt Absorb and Water Absorb are very useful abilities, so it's going to be hard for the opponent to attack Lanturn without taking a risk.

Politoed with Drizzle: FINALLY a Pokémon who has Drizzle other than Kyogre! But the downfall is that Politoed, being a NU Pokémon, has average stats all around and a slightly limited movepool. However, I'm sure it will jump from NU to... UU or even OU!

Breloom with Technician: Say hello to Scizor's new brother! Breloom has a monstrous attack coupled with powerful moves like Swords Dance, Substitute and Spore. With Technician and STAB, Mach Punch, Force Palm and Drain Punch become extremely powerful attacks.

Now, let's discuss some more 5th generation Pokémon:

Burunkeru

With immunities to Normal, Fighting and Water as well as great defenses (100/70/105), this thing is surely going to become a good support Pokémon. Although its Speed (60) is mediocre and its Special Attack (85) is not something major, it can still give off some respectable attacks. It also has access to Recover, which makes it a bulky tank able to quickly restore HP. Overall, it's either going to be placed in OU (if it gets more support moves) or UU.

Shanderaa

Sporting the highest Special Attack of any non-legendary (145) with decent defenses (60/90/90) and an acceptable Speed stat (80), Shanderaa is unquestionably going to be placed in OU. Flash Fire makes it even more powerful, and with access to moves like Will-O-Wisp, Memento, Curse and Pain Split, it is sure to become a top-tier Pokémon.

I found out a new move kazzy might like called "Guard share"
Lemme copy pasty the description.
"With psychic abilities it adds together the defense and special defense of it and the opponent and then divided them in half"

So lets say this was used on the opponents shuckle. You would be able to take away half of its defense and add it too your own.

Alakazam gets this move, which can greatly help him from being walled. This along with the move recovery, and his new ability magic guard can potentially turn him into a mini-tank.

EDIT: Oh oh! Heres another that alakazam gets through TM.
"Psycho shock"
Its a special psychic move with 80 base power.
Despite this being a special move, when it hits the opponent it is counted as a physical one. This move can help make alakazam a mix'd sweeper while only using his special attack stat. Why didn't weavile get awesome stuff like this? ._.

EDIT2: Well weavile did get one move change. Beat up. Apparently its base power has been turned to 1 instead of 10 per hit implying that there is now a hidden factor to the amount of damage per hit. It has yet to be tested yet so no information has been revealed. Hopefully this is something weavile will be able to make use of.

Ninetales with Drought
Saves a move spot for sunny day. His attack will be powerful and solar beam will not have to be charged. Ninetales from dream world will be great!

Exeggutor with Harvest
This is the most awesome ability ever. Give it the berry that makes it more strong against fire moves and it loses one of its weaknesses!!

Seaking with Lightningrod
I laughed when I saw this. Gives it complete immunity to electricity. Gives your team complete immunity.

Altaria with Cloud Nine
Hail is often used against Altaria. This eliminates its effect.

Tropius with Harvest
Same as Exeggutor. But with ice.

Hihidaruma with Daruma Mode
It's stats increase wildly with this ability.

Dasutodasu with Aftermath
Every time your garbage bag dies, your opponent takes some decent damage. I think he will be rather good with this ability.

Let me analyze one of my favourite Water Pokémon of this generation, Kerudio:

Name: Kerudio
Pokédex entry: #647
Type: Water/Fight
Ability: Justice Heart - Attack is raised when hit by a Dark-type move. It is unknown if the Pokémon is immune to Dark-type attacks or not.

Base stats:
HP - 91
Attack - 72
Defense - 90
Special Attack - 129
Special Defense - 90
Speed - 108

Where do I start with this guy? 129 special attack is certainly nothing to laugh at, 108 Speed allows Kerudio to outspeed base 100 Pokémon without any speed investments, and 91/90/90 defenses are pretty decent for a sweeper. With access to boosting moves like Calm Mind, Cheer Up and Swords Dance, Kerudio can become a deadly physical, special AND even mixed sweeper. Let me do some further explanations on the physical and special side:

Special attack
A special attack of 129 is very impressive, and as if that wasn't enough, Kerudio has Calm Mind in its arsenal. Couple that with Hydro Pump and Focus Blast or Mystery Sword*, which provide an excellent combination of STAB moves together, and you get a devastating special sweeper which is fully capable of taking down unprepared teams by itself.

*: Mystery Sword:
Type: Fighting
Power: 85
Accuracy: 100
Type: Special
PP: 10
Effect: Uses the Pokémon special attack stat, but deals physical damage to the opponent.
In other words, this is the perfect solution for Blissey and the likes.

Attack
72 Attack + Swords Dance + Justice Heart + wide movepool = deadly physical sweeper. Imagine coming into a Dark-type attack which causes you to get a +1 attack boost, then using Swords Dance on the switch. You get an easy +3 boost, empowering a mediocre 72 attack to unbelievable heights. Having a great physical movepool which includes Aqua Tail, Close Combat, X-Scissor, Stone Edge and the classic Aqua Jet, there's no doubt that Kerudio will become a very fearsome physical sweeper.

As if all that doesn't sound broken already, a new item called Swimming Goggles has been introduced in Generation V. As reported, it increases speed and accuracy (not known by how much yet), and puts the user to sleep if it isn't a Water Pokémon. So this means that Kerudio's Hydro Pump, Stone Edge and Aqua Tail will hit more often, and its speed stat will become even more amazing. On top of that, if the opponent tries to act smart by using Trick on you, then that will put his Pokémon to sleep, enabling Kerudio to set up easily and wreck havoc all over the place!

EDIT: This item has been confirmed to be fake, so there's no need to mention it anymore.

So, in conclusion, Kerudio has numerous merits which will surely make it a top-tier threat. Unfortunately, this tier is probably not going to be OU; Kerudio, which has stats EXTREMELY close to Salamence, seems far too strong for OU play, so it will most likely be placed in the Uber tier. Nevertheless, it is still one heck of a crazy Pokémon!

After trying some Pokémon out in the Alpha Testing of Pokémon Online, and checking a lot of competitive pages on Smogon Forums, I changed my opinion on a couple of Pokémon mentioned over here:

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Originally Posted by Sunny Shes special bulky with a pretty good hp stat and normal/psychic typing. She has a high 128 special attack stat and is as quick as lucario WITH the ability serene grace. I'd have to see here moveset, but that seems pretty broken already. Easily top of OU tier. Unfortunately, two of the major downfalls of this Pokémon is that it doesn't have any reliable recovery move besides Rest, and that a move called "Ancient Song" needs to be used to change it into its other forme. This means that you'll have to waste a whole moveslot for that. EEEE~! My cute lil dragon kicks ass~! <3 147 attack and 97 speed with pure dragon typing. Paper thin defense stats though. I'd assume he'll get dragon dance as a move, which would just put him over the top as a sweeper, but I think his poor defense stats will keep him out of UBER. I hope. ;~; I've tried using this guy in the the testing, and he can easily be revenge killed due to his low defenses. Also, his movepool isn't as wide as the other Dragons, which makes him fairly predictable. Lastly, 97 speed is a trollish number making many Pokémon outpace him, which is a great hindrance. It is definitely not going to be banished to the Uber tier, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by Shadow Shanderaa Sporting the highest Special Attack of any non-legendary (145) with decent defenses (60/90/90) and an acceptable Speed stat (80), Shanderaa is unquestionably going to be placed in OU. Flash Fire makes it even more powerful, and with access to moves like Will-O-Wisp, Memento, Curse and Pain Split, it is sure to become a top-tier Pokémon. I guess there was so much over-hype about Shanderaa that it turned out to be a bit underwhelming. It's still a good Pokémon, but it is definitely not broken. It's base 80 speed is often its biggest problem, and its typing doesn't really help, either. Also, popular Pokémon like Heatran often completely wall Shanderaa, making it even harder for it to survive.

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Originally Posted by Shadow As if all that doesn't sound broken already, a new item called Swimming Goggles has been introduced in Generation V. As reported, it increases speed and accuracy (not known by how much yet), and puts the user to sleep if it isn't a Water Pokémon. So this means that Kerudio's Hydro Pump, Stone Edge and Aqua Tail will hit more often, and its speed stat will become even more amazing. On top of that, if the opponent tries to act smart by using Trick on you, then that will put his Pokémon to sleep, enabling Kerudio to set up easily and wreck havoc all over the place! It turned out that the so-called"Swimming Goggles" was fake, as it does not exist in the games. All mentions of it has been removed in Smogon forums, which confirms that it is fake.

See this Pokemon? Looks like Forretress, Skarmory, and Bronzong have some company as supporting Steel-types in Nattorei!

HP: 74
Atk: 94
Def: 131
Sp.Atk: 54
Sp.Def: 116
Spd: 20

With 74/131/116 defenses and amazing typing, not a whole lot is going to be OHKOing you. And with a support movepool that can accomplish pretty much anything a team could want, this guy is definitely going to be seeing lots of early use during the first stages of the B/W metagame.

Noteworthy Moves: Leech Seed, Spikes, Thunderwave, Gravity, Toxic, Gyro Ball, Power Whip, Curse.

Nattorei really is a hybrid between Forretress and Celebi. Nattorei takes the best qualities out of these two Pokemon which essentially allows it to fit most any supporting role on a team, and the unpredictability of what set it is running only adds to his usability. ParaSeeder? Spikes support? A foe making a bad choice could easily spell doom for them. As such, two sets quickly come to mind for this guy:

Nattorei
Sassy
Leftovers
252 HP / 60 Def / 196 Sp.Def
0 Spd IVs
~Spikes
~Power Whip
~Gyro Ball
~Thunder Wave / Toxic

Essentially, a Spiker that can take most hits from both ends. Taunt isn't a huge issue as long as it isn't coming from Skarmory, because Gyro Ball WILL hurt coming off of a Speed stat lower than Snorlax's. Explosion isn't listed because it has been completely butchered this generation, as it no longer halves the foe's Defenses before you use it, meaning it will do an unsatisfyingly low amount of damage. Nattorei also has the ability to be a SubSeeder of sorts.

Nattorei
Sassy
Leftovers
252 HP / 60 Def / 196 Sp.Def
0 Spd IVs
~Leech Seed
~Substitute
~Toxic
~Gyro Ball

This set attempts to stall out foes through a lethal combination of Leech Seed and Toxic, and Gyro Ball keeps you from being Taunted to death. The first set is probably a better option, but this set can still prove lethal enough with Wish support and some of the bulkier Pokemon out of the way.

Problems with Nattorei: A 4x Fire weakness, which makes Heatran, Shandera, Infernape, Blaziken, and pretty much any other Fire-type home free and able to set up. Substitute Heatran laughs at Nattorei as loudly as one can laugh. Nattorei also lacks any recovery outside of Rest, and that simply isn't an option. As such, Vaporeon or Blissey will pretty much be necessary for Wish support. Finally, Nattorei is set-up bait for Lucario, since getting up Leech Seed doesn't much matter when your fighting a Lucario that is getting up Swords Dances like mad.

Final Words: In the Ubers environment Nattorei will have troubles with the shockingly high amount of Fire-type moves, but once things start settling down he will find himself proving more useful to teams. Such support moves and defenses are simply too good to miss!

So seaking only has one weakness, and gets a special attack boost from electricity?
My god...is seaking actually...USEFUL NOW?!
I can't except such a thing. D:

It is now confirmed that Dream World abilities are breed-able. That just means that we can get all those nice abilities with the IVs and natures we want!

Meh, at least Goldeen is going to have a better time in Little Cup with Lightningrod giving it a hardy immunity. It makes Elekid a less fantastic threat to Rain Dance teams, so Goldeen may see a little more usage than Omanyte, even.

Double post just to tell you that the latest version of Pokemon Online has GENERATION FIVE POKEMON. I'm making a team right now, so expect lots of updates that are more than speculation!

I would that Kaz.
Please tell us a lot about what you find.

Regarding Seaking's new ability; Lightningrod adds to its special attack, while Seaking has a better attack stat, and better physical moves. Even if it gets an immunity to electric moves, the increase to its special attack isn't that great or useful.

Boredom killed me, so I tried a team. It isn't that great in planning, but for the time being, I have been winning each and every battle.

It is a Sandstorm team, that is, my specialty. I can say one thing: Hippowdon and Doryuzu and Nittorei all together are just awesome!!! Just after a SD, Doryuzu will seep the whole team. Nittorei will set up spikes, and poof!! I also tried a Choice Scarf Waruvial which proved to be amazingly strong. Shandera was good, but not as great as Heatran since it has a lot of weaknesses. >_< Those are the ones I tried, and I am pleased to say that SS gained a new level.

If you give Shanderaa Shadow Ball, then he can seriously destroy everything. He aided even in the DARK type E4 member. It's just water he really can't handle. Shanderaa with Shadow Ball is a huge butt kicker. I have a team which I am getting to be great competetive battlers.... And I, RotomGuy, will prove Shanderaa is the guy we all hoped for!

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wi...are_%28move%29

Read it. Think about it. What do you notice that will make shuckle almost uber in the near future?



Now, as this was not enough-

Though not nearly as good, think of all the applications. Any moves that lower the stats- and gen V has created quite a few, as well as moves like leaf storm, will increase its stats- quite a step up from the ever popular "gluttony" and "sturdy". 

The ability



This allows ditto to not only copy them without having to waste time, but makes him able to copy stat boosts- meaning that a pokemon that just used bellydrum could be switched in on, and henceforth the bonus would be 'stolen' and the ditto would sweep the team. Lead ditto like this could be interesting, as well as dittos with a certain choice scarf.

Shuckles new ability is kinda a waste though.
He doesn't have anything that lowers his stats like the other pokemon that get it. Kinda unfortunate, but the power share thing may be pretty helpful. Still, I don't see him ending up in uber.

I've already seen Ditto used as a 'revenge killer' in several teams in Pokémon Online. It can be really annoying if played correctly, but otherwise, you can get rid of it fairly easily.

Shuckle doesn't exactly get any moves that would increase its stats in a good way. Antagonist is generally only useful on Smuglord because of Leaf Storm.

Ditto, though its ability is useful, isn't nearly as potent as one may think, since most variants carry a Choice Scarf to revenge kill with. The problem is that you always know an opposing Ditto's moveset since its YOUR Pokemon its turning into. As such, its not hard at all to bring in a reliable counter and force a switch. Definitely not Uber material.

Ditto isn't uber material, but it IS the ultimate scouter.
Seriously, being able to see whatever the opponents running and mimic it is amazing! Ditto may become UU or OU now.

Okay, here's something I've been using to great success.



Ononokusu @ Choice Scarf
Adamant, 252 Attack, 252 Spe, 6 HP
Outrage
Earthquake
X-Scizor
Return

I'll admit right now, I have been using this set for a week, and I have yet to use a move other than Outrage. Honestly, with 493 speed and 434 attack, I'ts just awesome. The ONLY things that can take 3 hits from outrage and live are Scizor, Nattorei, Skarmory, and Bronzong. That is why I have him partnered with this guy...



Together, they beat almost anything.

This suddenly turned into an RMT. o3o Return was just filler, by the way.

The ability regeneration is going to help ho-oh quite a bit.

I honestly don't see the Grass-types getting any more hype from this generation than any other... >_<

Except I think Nattorei (against the right Pokemon) might have some potential. It's got awesome defenses, can learn Curse to increase its Attack and Defense, so as long as its not paired up with Fire types, I think it could be useful.

I found this random tiering online: http://s7.zetaboards.com/N_M/topic/927309/1/
It's not Smogon approved but it seems to be pretty accurate based on their discussions, although it doesn't list NU. I've been studying it recently, and I've got to say, I'm loving that all of my favorite pokemon are OU or BL this generation. The sudden rise of Sableye thanks to Mischievous Heart and No Rotom Spin Blocking is highly appreciated. Plus good things for Hihidaruma, Meloetta, Jaroda, Roopushin, and Ranculus. I may actually raise a competitive team.

I'm really not to happy with Kyurem being placed in BL.

Also why Erufuun?

For all competitive battlers on VR, I believe that you will find the 13th issue of The Smog extremely helpful in introducing Gen V's metagame to you. Here's a list of the most important articles:

The premiere metagame threatlist
OU metagame analysis
Changes to the old legendaries
The decline of previous threats.

I'm glad that Nattorei and Erufuun may very well find a place in OU. But how come I didn't see anything about a Perversity-Jaroda in there? Hm...whatevs. It's too bad to see Rotom's better formes take a hit and fall, in which it seems that Rotom-W probably survived the best out of all, while Rotom-A seems to have lost its main usability.

Funny to see how Ditto seems to be getting its "revenge" on the world for ignoring it.

Actually, I already faced a couple of Ditto back when PO was working on my computer, and quite honestly, it didn't pose such a big threat on my team members. In fact, I was able to defeat it in the very first turn, so I'm not sure if it really is such a big threat after all. It all comes down to how well you predict its entry and then how you carefully you make your moves. But yeah, it does seem 'eccentric' to see Ditto rise from zero to hero, right from the darkness of the NU tier.

Curious they listed Murkrow, as opposed to Sableye or Volbeat. I didn't know he could abuse Mischievous Heart well.

Almost anything with Mischievous Heart will be annoying. Moves that get a priority due to this ability, such as Taunt, Substitute and Leech Seed, will pretty much shut down a Pokémon or stall it out annoyingly. The purpose of a Mischevious Heart Pokémon is mostly, if not always, to do that and not necessarily sweep opposing Pokémon.

I tryed battling on Pkemononline the other day, i got destroyed!!! Those 5th gen pokemon/abilitys makes alot harder to predict stuff i had a 30-8 win streak in one day, and my current record was like 10-4 really bad though. Plus that dang steel/ground mole in sandstorm teams it kills you! My teams always lost to sandstorm teams.

I have been checking Smogon recently. Right now, they are doing a suspect list whether to ban some abilities. They are currently suspecting three abilities. These abilities are:
Drizzle
Inconsistent
Shadow Tag

They are still debating about it and they will post the results either today or tomorrow. Most probably, these three abilities are going to be banned. After that, they will see about the Pokémon that should be banned.

I am not debating which one is stronger, since I am a Sandstorm user and I know it is strong. Also, I am not viewing any threads in Smogon. I am viewing the official thread in which selected players are nominating it. Many abilities were discussed, including Sand Veil, but they came to a conclusion that these three abilities are those who should be discussed about.

Well, as a Sandstorm user, I wouldn`t necessarily guarantee Doryuuzu being on a Sandstorm team (I rarely use one myself), but I have heard from nearly every person I`ve battled about how difficult they are to defeat. While it`s not quite that dangerous unless used correctly, I regretfully would have to agree that it is worth banning to Ubers. At the very least, it should get rid of all those annoying Sandstorm team knock-offs all over the place, nobody puts any originality into them because of the "easy gimmick" battlers have to abuse.

On the note of abilities being banned, Drizzle most definitely should not be. Prior to the Dream World, inly Kyogre, and Uber Pokemon, had access to it, which put the other weather effects at a "disadvantage" to Sandstorms, because of Tyranitar and Hippowdon being able to create them permanently. Eliminating Drizzle would just further increase the complaints people would have about Sandstorms being too overpowered in Generation V.

Inconsistent always seems to be used by Smeargle whenever I see it, it comes out as a lead, Spores, then uses a stat-boosting move and receives the Inconsistent boost at the end of the turn, followed by either another stat-boosting move or Baton Pass right away. In this way, it basically works as a pseudo-Shell Break Baton Pass.

I don`t really want to see Shadow Tag being banned, especially because of that new strategy of mine....only three Pokemon can currently use it and amount to anything (except for with that strategy of mine ) Wobbuffet, Wynaut, and Shandera. Wobbuffet`s already Uber, and Wynaut`s stats aren`t the best. Shandera is a great Pokemon, but it isn`t invincible, and doesn`t actually have a 100% success rate (though arguably a high one). Ever time someone uses is against me, they bring it out against Bronzong. On the same turn as the switch, I set up with a certain move anyone who`s battled me knows, and then KO it the next turn. With the right Pokemon, it`s possible to take it out without any casualties. So while I`m not entirely behind banning Shadow Tag altogether, I can see the sense in it (and Shandera would still have Flash Fire, a great ability, so it isn`t all bad).

Smogon didn't start suspecting Pokémon yet, but soon enough, we will see about Doryuzu.
Anyway, the results of the suspect test of the three abilities are already tere and here they are:
Drizzle: 56% asked for it to be banned so it is going to go to round 2 to see whether it should be banned or not.
Inconsistent: 96% asked to ban this ability, and from now onwards this ability is banned in standard play.
Shadow Tag: Only 43% asked for it to be banned and thus it is decided that Shadow Tag can be used in standard play.

I will be waiting for them to decide about Drizzle and I will tell you then.

*Double post for updates*

Here is the list of suspect Pokemon which need to be voted on by specific members in Smogon forums:

Darkrai
Deoxys-A
Deoxys-N
Doryuuzu
Latios
Manaphy
Shaymin-S

Drizzle should NOT be banned, if they are going to ban Drizzle, they might as well ban Hippo and T-tar. I am a strong believer in thinking no team is perfect and all teams have weaknesses, you just need to exploit these weaknesses and use them to your advantage, like for rain dance teams, use the rain to your advantage, if you run bulky water types, spam water type attacks, you have the boost. If you ever run a bulky water type, get Vaporeon because Hydration is cheap. Also Shandera may guarantee a KO in most matches, but u-turn/volt Change can escape shadow tag, and if you're running a fighting type, try and sneak a Sucker Punch, it tends to OHKO after rocks. also, Rain dance teams weaken shandera so it's not entirely cheap. Wobbuffet on the other hand, should be put into ubers, no shadow tag pokemon should be extremely bulky, also Ditto should be put in ubers because it can counter any pokemon and is probably the best late game sweeper in the game. When your building black/white teams, you should build your teams in a way that can counter most of the "cheap" pokemon.

Ditto deserves to be in OU. It is funny how it was NU and now people want it to be with Ubers. Just sayin'!

Anyway, Hippowdon and Tyranitar are less threatening than Drizzle since Rain abusers are far more dangerous. Excluding Sand Throw, the only way to abuse sand is Sand Power and the unreliable Sand Veil. Comparing it with Swift Swimmers, Rain Dishers, Hydrationers and Dry Skinners, Rain is more dangerous. Oh, and let us not forget Toxicroak.

You are basically referring to Gen IV with some of your analyzes. If Drizzle stays, then Rain Dance teams can get better strategies than the basic Swift Swimming strategy. Even with just following the Swift Swim strategy, with Drizzle, more Swift Swimmers can be used now. We also have to consider the Rain Dance setters, who are quite popular and quite bulky to set up Rain Dance several times. Although Sandstorm can be set up by several Pokémon, yet you can't find enough useful ones to set it up. Yes, Sandstorm is the most dangerous weather move so far, but Hippowdon and Tyranitar don't deserve to be banned since it is also agreed that the abusers of Rain Dance are more. Garchomp, Doryuzu (who is most probably is going to be banned to Ubers), Gliscor and Landlos are the main if not the only good sand abusers. While in terms of rain, it is Kingdra, Ludicolo, Gorebyss, Kabutops, Quilfish, the new toad. There are dream world abusers as well. Those are Swift Swimmers, while ignoring the rest. So in terms of number, rain abusers are more, and there is no deny that despite that fact that some of them are frail, once they start sweeping you can hardly stop them. In other words, Hippowdon and Tyranitar are less threatening to be considered as Ubers.

Personally, I really hope drizzle doesn't get banned. I think these new weather users allow for a lot more pokemon to shine and politoed is clearly not as broken as kyogre.

If we want to follow Lucario's usefulness' philosophy in Sand, then we have got to say that all water types with no exception do abuse Rain since their water moves gain both STAB and 50% boost from Rain.

I just had a thought. Don`t ban Doryuuzu to Ubers, just ban the ability Sand Throw/Paddle/Shovel. That ability makes it broken-ish, but Sand Power is usable without being unstoppable (and is much more useful for my team, anyway), so I`d prefer just having the ability itself banned for use in Ubers only.

The voting on the suspect Pokémon is done, and I'm incredibly pleased to say that my votes (along with Spirit's) were almost 100% right:

Darkrai: 49 Bans, 1 Do Not Ban, and 1 Abstain (98%)
Final judgment: BANNED

Deoxys-A: 46 Bans, 2 Do Not Bans, and 3 Abstains (95.8%)
Final judgment: BANNED

Deoxys-N: 28 Bans, 11 Do Not Bans, and 12 Abstains (71.8%)
Final judgment: BANNED

Doryuuzu: 16 Bans, 27 Do Not Bans, and 8 Abstains (37.2%)
Final judgment: PASSED (can be re-nominated next round, though)

Latios: 7 Bans, 38 Do Not Bans, and 6 Abstains (15.5%)
Final judgment: PASSED (can be re-nominated next round, though)

Manaphy: 26 Bans, 17 Do Not Bans, and 8 Abstains (60.5%)
Final judgment: MOVED TO ROUND 2

Shaymin-S: 51 Bans, 0 Do Not Bans, and 0 Abstains (100%!)
Final judgment: BANNED (with a complete agreement between the voters!)